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We do know what gordon sondland said. he did testify that he told the ukrainians that aid was held up because of this ask for investigations, until that happened. although in his addendum, he said he didn't recall exactly how he knew that. republicans will try to make the case there's no linkage to the president. we'll see if they're able to succeed. >> and americans will have to decide if they believe that all of this happened without the president's knowledge and independent of him. thank you very much. joining us now, carl bernstein, author and legendary watergate journalist. and the author...

So to speak, that mueller knows to be untrue? that is a very heavy question in terms of what that could mean, in terms of what robert mueller puts out in his final report. there you have it, the best that we could do to make sense of a lot of new information. so, the provocative question, what did trump insiders believe? do they believe manafort would meet with assange or that he did? two big shots call him a rat in their new book that dropped just today. why? corey lewandowski and david bossie are here. they have a book that describes all the enemies from the president's perspective. am i in ...

How many titles do you have? i remember in one of the many briefings that cram so much information before the election, i remember hearing that if they get 35, 37, the democrats should be overjoyed. they're at 39. they could get 40. how is that not a whooping, brother? >> chris, as you know, let's look at history, right? historically, every president, every president in the midterms has lost big seats, big numbers. look -- >> not everyone. >> every president but two in modern history. >> and trump could have been like them. go ahead. >> they were two war-type presidents. that's an otherwise pr...

That takes us to the big discussion that is coming on information that's new today. jerome corsi, who is he? he's a right-wing conspiracy theorist. he's someone associated with stone. i was being a little playful in the introduction, but not really. i don't know how to describe him vis-a-vis stone. corsi's got trouble. here's why. he told the u.s. government he never did anything with the requests for wikileaks information. what requests? hold there. roger stone says jerome corsi, says the u.s. government more importantly, stone went to corsi and said, go find out what you can about wikileaks ...

I believe that the ultimate act of interest by our department of justice through the fbi was comey coming out and giving a headshot haymaker to hillary clinton, not once, but twice, and i don't see any proof of anybody messing with anything that makes sense in a way that they also let that happen. that's the part i don't get. i would never let corey go out and crush -- if i want to hurt the president, i would never let him crush clinton the way he did twice. >> we've seen the strzok and page, all the e-mails that the mccabe information that has come out. we know that they were -- >> those were...