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Government tyranny. >> the ultimate check against government tyranny is an informed electorate. i don't want to embrace the idea that i believe we want people to take to the streets with guns. i want people to go to the voting booth and check an out of control government by electing conservatives. >> as for rand paul and you've been very critical of his national defense security policy are you convinced that his recent tougher stand on some national security issues is genuine? >> i hope some of it is but he's the libertarian in a race. the lind saisey graham will beat barack obama's view of fo...

Their party and they vet candidates and go through all their little rituals. but at the end of the day, the purpose of the exercise is to win back the white house. and right now to a lot of them, to a growing number of republicans i talk to, they're getting -- >> so a phrase i use to the distraction of all our producers, they're getting their heads around the challenge of candidate who will beat jimmy -- there's a mistake. who will beat barack obama. howard, is that the way you see it? because a couple days we were thinking that ron paul is going to walk away with this thing. they're going to ...

Purpose of the exercise is to win back the white house. and right now to a lot of them, to a growing number of republicans i talk to, they're getting -- >> so a phrase i use to the distraction of all our producers, they're getting their heads around the challenge of picking a candidate who will beat jimmy -- there's a mistake. who will beat barack obama. >> exactly. >> howard, is that the way you see it? because a couple days we were thinking that ron paul is going to walk away with this thing. they're going to vote their gut, their heart, and not thinking about who can beat obama? >> i end up...