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Whiplash and mixed signals sent out leading up to the shutdown, you have to step back from this and wonder if they're not okay with where things are, if they think this isn't leveling the playing field politically. you have to ask because of the wall deal, schumer put $20 billion on the table and they said no, does this president really want to build the wall or do they want to retain that as an issue and say democrats wouldn't let us build this wall. >> it seems remarkable to me, in some ways a sign of the pressure chuck schumer is under he has been willing to publicly go out and say i'll bui...

The cameras panned away. you are absolutely right. the public posturing of this may be nearing an end. i've never seen a time, kasie, in my time here walking these halls whether it's the last few days, the last few years when senators have been so disgusted with themselves. we saw michael bennett in your interview a moment ago, i think reflected that. lindsey graham, he in his orange had wandered across the second floor of the capital a few minutes ago, kasie, and he echoed the same thing. this is not our finest hour. those 22 senators that have been gathering in susan collins' office i think ...

Republicans in the white house who have said that democrats can't move on any of these issues? if you have luis gutierrez, one of the most ardent champions of immigration community rights and issues related to immigration reform who says, we will do whatever it takes to meet you on your issues if it means that we are going to protect these dreamers, tells you that they are not negotiating in good faith and they are not providing the bipartisan work or the work of democrats any space for success. and luis and schumer are clearly indicating that they are willing to do that. >> do you think that ...

Welcome back to "kasie dc" we bring in house appropriations committee member tim ryan. great to see you. thank you for being here. i'm sorry we're here tonight. >> yeah. >> talk us through where things stand now with the shut down. are democrats winning this argument? >> you know, i think in places like ohio, i mean, people think that the whole thing is a mess. but the real issue is that donald trump is in charge. republicans have the senate and the house. they're responsible for getting these deals done. i think senator schumer has shown a lot of good faith. he's put a lot of money on the tab...

We hardly saw either of those leaders over the course of the last few hours. they are trying to get something done, trying to extract that promise that those moderates say they want that mitch mcconnell will move something on immigration, some sort of concrete guarantee that something will move on immigration. it leaves open a number of questions. what about the base that you were asking michael bennett about? will they be satisfied? will chuck schumer be satisfied with this? after all, what do they get out of it if it's sort of a wink and nod? certainly chuck schumer wouldn't accept that from...