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If obstruction is one of the issues he's looking at. normally a prosecutor wouldn't want a key witness's account being out there in which the target in this case the president could know everything he has to say. but it may be that mutualer is let, him testify but holding back the memos, not allowing the memos to be released so that he would have a arrow in his quiver down the road. just to continue the watergate analogy it's almost as though, you know, when john dean testified the president's tapes had not yet been public. in fact we didn't even know they existed. but they later got released ...

President trump. and that is very powerful evidence that could either corroborate the account he's going to give or could fill in blanks and could possibly be used to raise questions about his testimony. so i -- you know -- as i understand it, the fbi still has not given them up. it's not clear that they are going to -- >> let's ask. jim sciutto. do they have those memos yet? is that accurate? >> no, they don't, apparently. we don't know if that's because the special counsel is in effect taking over, right, and saying that they need it for their own investigation. it is a fair question. and mi...

Either conspiracy theories. michael the words that you used to describe cuomoey's testimony are extraordinary and momentous. what's the key question you have? >> first of all, i do think we are on the eve of what could be some of the most dramatic testimony we've seen in years. i'll defer to david and others on this, but for historical precedent to have -- assuming comey is going to testify as has been reported, to have a senior u.s. government official basically go before congress under oath and call the president of the united states a liar, i think you would have to go back to john dean and...

Tweeting, and he tweeted about it earlier this morning just before the white house announcement to refer all questions to the outside counsel, don't white house reporters have the right to ask the white house staff, the press secretary about, those tweets, about what the president is saying? >> yeah. no question about that, and, you know, the easy answer is that people think that jim comey would actually be vindictive because of the attacks that are on him h.everything that we know about jim comey in his work life he's not that way. phil knows him, you know, and a whole highly different level....

Counsel robert mueller himself, a former fbi director, to outline parameters of what he can or should reveal during the course of that public hearing. are you at all concerned, mr. secretary, that comey's public testimony might interfere with the ongoing counterintelligence criminal probes? >> well, i have a lot of confidence in bob mueller's judgment, and i know that he is first and foremost probably one of the toughest prosecutors i've known, and he he's not going to allow anything that would inhibit the investigation. they will make sure that this didn't inhibit the investigation into these...