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Be a fascinating tussle, because nobody gives up that much power that easily. the egyptian military has been in power since 1952, and they have enormous privileges that come from it. but the street is very tired of that. and that's the clash you're watching. >> talking to queen noor was fascinating. she's been steeped in the history of that area for a long time through her marriage to the king. she was like we must be excited, along thinks a great revolution of young people saying we want something better in our lives. we should be applauding -- >> frankly i've been troubled with the way i've ...

Create a movement going forward. egypt can be a model of a peaceful transition, i think. >> do you believe that any peaceful transition in a country like egypt can actually happen in reality, if you simply turf out leaders after 30 years who have been in many people's eyes pretty good to the west and pretty good allies? is that a sensible way to proceed, or do you think the sensible way is the way president obama seems to prefer, a gradual transition, where mubarak is allowed to stay for a while, everything calms down and leaves with some dignity and honor, which a lot of people in america thi...

That can keep thing in order, i think suleiman is the person. whether or not he would win in the elections, that's a different thing. he would be a good person in the interim. >> tell me this. should we carry on paying the aid to egypt? what is your position on that? also in relation to israel, what is your view of how we protect israel. >> well, that's two separate questions. the answer to the first one is yes, we need to continue the aid, because to yank the aid is to just invite chaos. and that is not in anybody's interesting. and your second question with regard to israel, it's very

You're a foreigner there, you do have a certain elementf protection. by and large, when we were detained, we were not being tortured. egyptians were, nonstop. those egyptians who helped me in and out of tahrir square, they were taking far greater risks. >> look at the google executive. this is a guy who disappeared for nine days, i think. how even does that happen? even in a dictatorship, this is a guy who literally disappeared, nobody knew who he was. every egyptian knew exactly what had happened. the security services had picked him up, and he was incarcerated in some jail with no trial, no ...

In order as opposed to chaos, i think suleiman is the person. then whether or not he would win in the elections in september, that's a different thing. but he would be a good person in the interim. >> tell me this, i mean, obviously, america at the moment is spending $3.5 million a day on aide to egypt. should we carry on paying that? what is your position on that? and also, in relation to israel, what is your view of how we now protect israel, given this political void we have in egypt? >> well, that's two separate questions, the answer to the first one is yes. we need to continue the aide, b...