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Happening. anybody, defense attorneys, that have had clients that in the throes of a federal investigation, it really is so much going back and forth. you don't know what witnesses will come forward, what witnesses will flip, what evidence will there be. there really is so much going on. i mean, as it stands now, this investigation has cost the taxpayers nearly 5 million dollars and really there's really no end in sight. at least there's no indication that there's an end in sight. so it really is depending on what -- it's so broad. and richard and i have had clients that have been in these typ...

Quite a shift in their relationship. any word on how the white house is reacting to this possibility? >> we know that they're watching this very closely, steve. we've watched the president's rhetoric as it relates to michael cohen really evolve over time. remember when his offices were first raided by the fbi and president trump referred to him as a good man, called it a disgrace that his offices were raided. and then in the wake of revelations that michael cohen secretly recorded a conversation with him, president trump began to lash out saying what kind of a lawyer would tape a client, so sa...

My response is first off, i had warned roger throughout the campaign not to communicate, not to pretend he was communicating with julian assange, not to even communicate with guccifer, i have no idea about these direct. i have no idea about direct messages over twitter. roger may not like it. i don't support him getting indicted. i don't support this why thad if roger was talking to guccifer was a conspiracy to defraud america. roger has gotten us all involved in this investigation. i would not have been called in, but for my relationship with roger. i was the campaign all of six weeks. i don'...

Conversation was about, what they understood it to be about, what they meant, whether they acted on what was described in the conversation. michael cohen was one of the two pares in this conversation, the president was the other person. i mean, learning about the exist conditions of this tape was good for 1,001 headlines today, right? the american people actually hearing this tape will presumably result in a larger impact packet if that happens. imagine how the white house must feel about the prospect of president trump having to testify in front of a court or a grand jury as to that payment, ...

What the heck do you think they're doing? you have people like maxine waters, and i would have to be an idiot not to hear what they're saying. she basically wrote off the constitution saying high crime and misdemeanors, treason and bribery. >> to be clear, and you know this, the leaders of the democratic party right now are saying, we aren't going there. but let's move on from that. >> i have to listen to all the people in the democratic party, not just the leaders. and they could be lying. they could be lying because they don't want it as a campaign issue. you don't think nancy pelosi wants t...