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Listen. a military campaign given that, the capability the coalition has, gaddafi has got a couple brigades standing between benghaz skpismt tripoli this, is not a highly trained competent force, they're okay at best. the kind of coalition air power we can put on them, believe me, they will leave their tanks and on the personal carriers when they start to take 30% to 40% casualties. that rebel force will begin to drive towards tripoli. that is reality of what we're facing. we don't understand what the military capability is and kind of destruction it can impose on forces in this kind of terrai...

Already-distinguished panel. how are we doing so far? >> i'm concerned because i don't think there is a clearly defined objective. in un terms and what the president has said is that we want fro detective the innocent there. is nothing but b.regime change or said we'll take all measures to protect the innocent but what happens next? i think the military part will be just great that. will go well, but then what do you do? who do you hand the government over to? do you topple gaddafi? if you do topple him what is the next government? is there going to be a next government? then and we're now in ...

Tripoli to bring down gaud? the second question, what is gaddafi's plan? >> geraldo: no. they knlt. it's one thing to have kids with ak 47s shooting and celebrating and another thing to take on the two we know he has two tough, professional brigades that 6,000 fighters, with their armor standing between benghazi and tripoli. i don't believe, wally. >> i think the second most important point casey made is beyond that. if we put back special forces back and allow them to do so, what happens after the collapse of gaddafi? there will be multiple forces we don't know the leadership of the oppositio...

Gaddafi phoned in his last address to the libyan people, but president reagan tried it. why don't we try it? why don't we send a message or will and we'll use support in person? >> look, take it on commander in control infrastructure should be part of the portfolio in my view. >> geraldo: he's the number one commander, boy assume. >> absolutely. he's stuck in a hole someplace tonight and probably will be as much as he can that. is why you're not going see much of him. he's probably got a bunker system. but the -- command and control apparatus that controls his forces and provides guidance to i...

What would you have us do? >> there is one thing you're missing i'd like to see your experts comment on at some point here tonight that. is wmds wex know this country for a long time tried to get their hands on nuclear weapons. we don't exactly know what they v there is a argument here. >> geraldo: we know he has -- . >> right, this is something we have to be concerned about, too. it's not just taking out gaddafi but who comes in to replace gaddafi? what happens to proliferation of the weapons? >> geraldo: let me take a quick break, folks. we have more and will be live everywhere. give us a mi...