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Congresswoman, is we have these photos from an independent company that shows this buildup of troops, in crimea, in donbas, coming in from belarus as well, and yet the russian position seems to be that we should not believe our eyes. what do you say to that? >> it is really striking. it kind of harkens back to the way russia used to communicate or the soviet union used to communicate during the cold war. i remember even as a young girl, you know, seeing right through that and thinking this makes no s sense, and certainly that's where we are today. you're exactly right. you know, 2014, when rus...

Get some material concessions from the west and perhaps from the crane as well in relation to the situation in donbas. ~ , , as well in relation to the situation in donbas— as well in relation to the situation indonbas.~ ,, ,, ., ,, ., in donbas. why is russia desperate for ukraine not _ in donbas. why is russia desperate for ukraine not to _ in donbas. why is russia desperate for ukraine not to join _ in donbas. why is russia desperate for ukraine not to join nato? - for ukraine not tojoin nato? russia, of course, has been pushed out of europe since the end of the cold war. consistently opp...

Hysteria or that it has no plans to blame glurk attempts to blame russia baseless, goal of shifting the blame away from ukraine. i must say we are very disappointed from the ostrich like position of our western colleagues who are trying not to see obvious things. >> your thoughts on where we are, hugh? >> well, after i saw secretary blinken make the rapid trip, bret to the u.n. today, secretary austin in brussels with nato and then president biden on his way to ohio all making the same kind of sharp real estate remarks. not deter putin but deter bad press. they are going to get bad press. puti...

Also in case there's any doubts about how serious he was on this point, he started talking about genocide in donbas, a pretty sharp retort to something scholz said, an interesting exchange. scholz said that europeans in my generation can't imagine a war in europe. putin said i'm of your generation. i remember nato bombing yugoslavia. scholz retorts there was a genocide there. putin says there's a genocide in donbas. the mood doesn't seem to have shanked what i'm getting to i don't see a change in putin's core position. look around at his messengers for any signal that you want at this point bu...

Like everything we hear from the kremlin right now, it is designed to be deliberately ambiguous. it is a phrase we heard as russia gave its initial reply to the american response to russian concerns in december which included the pledge that ukraine should never become a member of nato and nato should somehow withdraw its presence in eastern europe and so forth. that has been a back—and—forth that's been going on ever since december, and when the russians replied initially, they used the same phrase and they had done it again today. and i think we are all supposed to be guessing what exact...