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This middle america thing that -- and the reason they had ang are towards the media, kind of elitist thing. i'm not recalling who said that that day. it was laughable that they weren't spending money on getting new polls or doing the -- they have no ground game. they have no ground game. are you kidding me? first of all, the ground game has occurred over the last 30 years, and this is not turning people into republicans. because it started under ronald reighen in flint in detroit, where people lost tens of thousands of jobs. >> rightant and their lives were decimated, and they were kicked out ...

Spending money on getting new polls or doing -- they have no ground game. they have no ground game. are you kidding me? first of all, the ground game has occurred over the last 30 years and this did not turn people into republicans because it started under ronald reagan in flint, in detroit, where people lost tens of thousands of jobs and their lives were decimated and they were kicked out of the middle class and when reagan fired the air traffic controllers and other unions didn't stand up or say anything or do anything, that was the end. it got worse and worse and worse. >> if you looked in ...

To participate in this -- in what they saw as a system that had left them forgotten and at bay, and that was the end of that for flint and detroit and the state of michigan. and i was there. i was there up until 2:00 a.m. on election morning holding rallies, trying to turn it around on my own. i'm not part of a campaign. i was doing my own thing, and i could see this wasn't going to happen and what i had said back in the summer sadly was going to be true. >> michael, can i ask you this? i think the election is over and we have to understand the pain, the angst, all the things you talk about th...

Because it's the depressed. it's depressed because things happened that again the media didn't pay attention to. barack obama, who i love and voted for twice, and i will miss dearly, but he showed up to flint five months ago and drank the water when it was still not fixed. the pipes were still not replaced. it was like a knife in the heart of the people of flint. a black city saw the president do this. it just deflated. i saw everyone get deflated. the water is still poisoned. after that how much attention -- how many shows on flint since he drank the water? it's things like that that just we ...

Curiosity. they don't care about the elites. >> it's not about elites. it's about half of the people in new york. >> they don't care about wall street and corporate america and media. >> half people in new york are struggling economically. i don't get curiosity about them either. small town america is as incurious about other places as we are about it. >> but small town's america job is not to educate america on the electoral process. that's what we all get paid to do. we have failed. michael, go ahead. >> i just want to say that we talk about this as if there was just white people in michigan...