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Opinion. who are the winners? >> the winners are the domestic producers of these two products, steel and aluminum. the tariffs essentially make imported products more, you get to charge more and make more money. the losers are the people who buy those products because they have to pay more money. so this is not a win-win. it's a win-lose. for everybody who wins on one side, somebody has to lose on the other side. >> going forward, can the president unilaterally impose these tariffs, or does he need to get approval to do it? >> he can unilaterally do most of the what he says he wants to do. it ...

Both of them. >> david, wouldn't the argument for trump then be that if you're going to -- the media are going to be all-in for hillary and there's going to be a barrage against whoever the nominee is, and you've got to have a big enough candidate who can kind of bypass them and punch through them. on the numbers, isn't trump already doing that in a sense? >> absolutely. and that's why i disagree with joe that it's a win-win. i think it's a win-lose. it's a win for trump if he doesn't go too far and get too cute. but hillary says she deplores what he's doing. actually, she relishes it because ...

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