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Of the stories of railroads. we should care about those and care about what's going on in medicare. we are obsessed with the investigation which will happen no matter what we do. we have no control of that. the democrats have control over the narratives but they are not winning it. i am not sure what's going to happen in november. point taken. i think too often, we become process success and we go after the shiny object and we forget how much is out there each night that we are missing. pleasure to see you friend. >> you too, brian. >> thank you for visiting us here in new york. the great dori...

In medicare, for instance, the government pays a portion. private citizens pay a portion. >> yeah. >> and some of 2 it by private companies some public companies. they compete. that's what we need in the marketplace. >> secretary sbebelius, i leave it there. i'm not sure you think single payer is viable but close. leave it there. thanks very much. good to have you on. thank you for sharing your views. >> thanks. nice to talk to you. we're going to continue this conversation. those are two fascinating interviews that went there. that with the panel. later talk with former cia chief and defe...

Issue with how to keep costs down is a very important one. it's not the essential health benefits. it's trying to figure out how to encourage more people to get in and get the services that they need. and we could actually do more to say what, kate, you could go to the doctor to get your wellness visits. like in medicare, those should be completely free. and that would get people to get some of the preventive care they need so that we're not treating people when they come to ers and hospitals. this consideration about essential health benefits is distracting and taking away from what's really ...

Insured. but there are a lot of people out there who don't want to be insured until they get sick, and then they try to get health insurance or they try to get medical care. isn't that part of the problem? >> we're not going to allow tha that. we don't allow that in medicare, for example, in part b and part d, if you don't sign up when you are eligible, the next month your premium goes up. we are going to penalize people who try to game the system. but we are going to have the same premium for everyone, we are not going to discriminate based on health conditions. so if you sign up and stay enr...

People don't realize those in medicare benefited. and how they benefited is there's something called the doughnut hole which had to do with drug prices.11 million seniors have saved $23 billion. you can do the math. that's on average over $2,000. so the affordable care act wasn't just about the marketplace which has helped get 20 million insured. >> it's not perfect. it has flaws in the system. where are the places you thi it has not lived up to the expectations when it started. where could it be improved? >> we want to continue to work to create more competition and more affordability. the pr...