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So even if they say, administrative costs are lower with the government, i know some of those administrators and i know they're sitting in front of the computer screen all day, i know some of them personally, and they're not there trying to save anybody money. i as a physician order a million tests, sometimes they're necessary, hopefully most of the time they're necessary, but let's face it, a lot of doctors are practicing defensively these days, and unless we have tort reform, this medicare is an out of control freight train that's going to cost close to a trillion dollars by 2025. we've got ...

Everybody in this room to stand up and support what these two people have done. including dick durbin and senator coleburn. he hasn't done it do this day. martha: why doesn't he do it. >> the part of the democratic base was offended by the cutbacks in medicare and social security and entitlement programs, and i certainly support those programs. i recognize there needs to be an across the board balanced approach. the republicans only want to cut spending and not increase revenues. they don't have a balanced approach. only erskin-bowles and alan simpson gave us that approach. martha: someone say...

Table actually reduces the taxes from 35% to 28% for the super wealthy and the rest of his package increases the burden on the low and middle income class so they're going to have to pay more out of pocket, not necessarily in taxes but for medicare, child support and other kinds of activitys that are essential if you're going to go to work. so what we really need is a balanced package and i'm really pleased that the republicans are coming forward accepting some tax increases. that's a major stepand a major concession on the part of republicans. on our side, we want to protect social security a...

Endanger the younger people in this country. what the problem is the political people are endangering the younger people in this country. the benefits are not the problem. you don't cut the benefits in medicare and social security, you fix the programs, and you can't fix the programs if there's gridlock. >> what's the big fix on social security? >> it's not a big fix, you have to tweak the taxes and so forth. in medicare, you need to pay people, you can't pay people fee for service anymore. you've got to fix the whole system, the whole health care system. medicare is not the problem, the probl...

>> brenda: all right. toby, you point out that the main, the main employers of the last decade or so, are exactly the ones who are going to be cutting back? >> well, for the last 20 years, the last study was clear, 40% of all jobs created in the last 20 years have been in health care and in government. here is what's happening. certainly on the government side we already know there's 500,000 less jobs going to be happening in the states and cities and counties the next six to 12 months, they're announced. and the health care side. in medicare, if you look at hospitals particularly, the prime d...