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The loyalties for other projects and also the tourism industry in his state. >> he has voted with democrats on the conservation act. mr. trump seem to be picking some people that cut against the grain. >> a little bit. his daughter seems to be more environmentalist we knew than before he was elected and this might be -- he actually said in an interview, i think, i believe with his remarks to chris wallace that he's open minded in the environment. he's going to want to show that he's being accommodating to more centrist agenda. it will deny climate change but like i said, it could mean that the...

Government has no role here you want to give it to charity, great. i want to invest it rather than give it to charity, good for me. it is not government's job to decide if i should started a business or give to charity. there are a lot of reasons why i might postpone giving to charity or investment. i may be start ago new business. >> any politician who challenges them hurts himselves politically during the last presidential election mitt romney suggested tax deductions for wind power accessible. then wind pour advocates ran this commercial. >> within a few weeks ago i got laid off by mitt rom...

Except by the u.s. government. it's not bankable except by u.s. government loan guarantees. the wall street financiers have done microanalysis. is it not an economic proposition. they take 10 to 15 years to build if they're lucky. they always come in 100, 200% cost overruns. we haven't built one a licensed one since the 1970s, right? what does that mean in a market sense? it means it's corporate socialism, it's government guaranteed and no one has skin in the game. >> what do you say to that, michael? >> yeah. you're blaming this on the market. you yourself led these efforts in the early 70s t...

Odd. do you agree? smirk i don't think there's anything about it. i think it comes down to the fact that about four or five years ago everyone thought that we are going to have this huge massive increase in solar industry and wind industry. this has been the industry that has created more jobs. those industries got ceremony in terms of job training. so it was a real misallocation of resources. and a boondoggle. a lot of money also went to left-wing groups. >> gao points out other factors played a role. at the time that these ground forces were working.

Energy. and in the whole budget negotiations at the end of the year, one of the seemingly small issues was the fact that credits for wind industry, which is a huge industry in minnesota and wisconsin and other places. those will continue. had that not happened, those industries that are just now really emerging would have shut down. >> like everything else, though, climate change is unfortunately painted as a partisan issue. what kind of a consensus are you hearing from those 300 other mayors that were gathering in that room with you? >> frankly, it's not a controversial issue with america's m...