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Could have ended a lot differently. >> yeah, look, it's the confluence of policies that democrats don't like, it's broken window policing, number one, you know, pulling over a car for a minor infraction that ended up bearing a loaded gun that would have been used to shoot someone presumably in a crime-plagued neighborhood. the logic of letting people out of rikers is flawed to begin with. there is a problem on rye ceres islanded. the -- rikers island. democrats want you to believe the only solution is to let people out of jail. if a school building was leaking, we wouldn't tell kids there's no...

Phrase they had no role in inventing. i remember you preached the theory of broken window policing in new york, and i imagine you have taken a good look around that city lately. parts of new york city look like hell to be quite honest, and parts of new york city are unsafe. millions of new yorkers spend at least part of their day feeling unsafe. what to do about policing in a city like new york, in a year like we're having in 2021? >> well, one politically, support the police, unfortunately many of the mayoral candidates are not supportive of the police, some still using term "defund the polic...

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Pedestal. i think most americans have tremendous respect for police. we expect them to do their job, not harass, intimidate, bully. not grab a guy like james blake who is standing, waiting for a car to throw thim to the ground. we can't use this to defend bad police behavior. >> stay on black lives matter. is it more dangerous for comes? >> i'm not sure they are. we have heightened tensions on both sides now. there was a big police chief summit that happened recently. they all get together. the big head honchos and they talk about policing tactics and what we need to do to improve. they are de...

Tick in the police-citizen reaction s because offer war on drugs, broken window policing. i wonder if this pumps the brakes? >> no. the police reaction to aim ruling century years ago is to find reasons to lengthen the time. they come up with new informational requirements and the radio responses are delayeded and that gets the drug dog enough time to get there. so oh it means nothing. they will get around the ruling. they always try to get around the rulings. >> i agree mostly. one thing the it does is ex pose the problem. and help to continue to expose the problem. beyond that we have to con...