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We're paying too much for food stamps and lazy people don't go to work. here's a graphic that shows in 2010, 30% of food stamp recipients worked. the rest of them are old people, children and disabled. there you go. >> 13 million -- excuse me. >> more than double are on food stamps now. >> those numbers are accurate. they're accurate numbers. republicans are trying to defund food stamps. >> 34 million people don't work that get food stamps. >> elderly, disabled and children. >> that's a lot. >> we've got to go. >> the comedy central booth must have been busy. they were busy editing my comments...

Into effect and particularly the exchanges. this is the last hurrah for the republicans that want to go against this bill. once the low goes into effect, it's going to become very, very popular. seniors will see a $4,000 a year savings is, 47 million women will get prenatal care. small businesses will get tax cuts. the growth in premiums will be controlled. there are going to be lots of stuff that starts to take effect that will be very, very popular at which point it will be impossible for the republicans to try to win the argument anymore. the only thing they're trying to do is win an argume...

Delay crowd is they don't have a plan to actually get it done. when they say they want to delay it, they want to take a symbolic vote on a delay but not tie it to anything that has to pass. so the house can take a thousand symbolic votes if they want. harry reid will not allow any of them to pass into law. so it becomes an exercise of just political cover rather than actually filming the problem. >> and james, he knows that that is reality. he just said it. if he knows nothing liking this will get through the senate, stopping obama care will never be signed by president obama, what is his end ...

And trying to deal with that rage. you see it in a lot of town halls. >> then does the president have a point in what he said to chris. republicans are scared of some of their constituents? >> absolutely. >> absolutely they are. they're scared of a challenge from the right. there is, not sure about the rush limbaugh part as much as -- we absolutely know there are tea party challengers out there on the senate side. and the house side. willing to go after these guys. and the, totality actually of the coburn townhall was about why he wouldn't join ted cruz and others to shut down the government i...

Hopeful for the republicans governor scott walker sounds ready to move past the latest defund obama care fight. >> do you make the point as senator jim demint says or do you stay away from shutdowns. >> i think shutdowns are not a good move at all. think most americans are center right and want limited government but they want a government that works. i don't hate government, i hate government that's too big and that doesn't work. so we need to show we can through reform make things work. >> let's get right to our panel. jared bernstein a senior fellow and dr. james peter, associate professor ...