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Get public opinion on their side. democrats are saying skip with the quid pro quo, stop calling it that, call it extortion. you have republicans using a variety of argument, including matt tohorn bury saying i don't love what the president did, but it is not impeachable. the president doesn't like that strategy. what would you recommend to your republicans moving forward? are they taking the right tack or is the horse out of the barn here? >> republicans have to remember that they have a constitutional duty to uphold congress's independence. and to analyze objectively what it is that happened....

I think by shifting to calling it prescribery and i've heard them call it extortion as well, they are trying to focus the american people that this is not a this for that. it's something that exceeds the bounds of executive propriety. the president of the united states withholding congressio l congressionally appropriated funds in order to achieve something in the next election. >> and tim, you know the republicans say they want, they have a list of witnesses that they want called and lindsey graham himself said you know, if hunter biden is not called then this whole process is a joke. democra...

>> any private attorney you would assume would make conversations based on that, but i also know rudy giuliani well enough to know that there's a whole lot of things that he does that doesn't surprise anybody. >> we touched on this a bit. but is that where we're going? that if the testimony is come telling that they call it a quid pro quo, some democrats say we don't want to use that term, call it extortion. call it what you will. this all happened, but the president's hands are clean, they were people free-lancing. >> part of what the republicans are going to do is just throw up a lot of atte...

Wants a republican party that is talking about him in a positive light, who are making the arguments that frankly you're making, hugh is making, which is the president did nothing wrong. or the president might have done something that was a little problematic, but this is how foreign policy works. we have to give them something to get something. i will say that democrats are very -- they're very focused on how to tell the story this week, and i'll told from democratic aides they wanted taylor to be there because he's a vietnam vet. and they wanted marie yovanovitch there because i'm told she c...

Extortion. i had one democratic congressman say let's call it extortion, something more visceral. >> this is the uyeeugene robins article. enough with the latin. what trump did is bribery. is this really the democratic party's -- is that why there's 40% not listening? i don't think it's the latin. >> their problem is this is something complicated. it gets more complicated with all of the names and far away events. and here we had one of the leading democrats saying we don't want to talk about quid pro quo anymore. that's too complicated. if that's too complicated, all the rest of it is too. ag...