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Andy mccarthy. >> another andy in all of this at the fbi. i was just -- >> we need to get to the bottom of this properly predicated, what was the evidentiary base of this. what was john brennan's role. the american people deserve that. without drawing any conclusions. >> i agree with both of you. the answers and information -- i think the intelligence agencies behaved really badly. it's hard to have an innocent explanation for what they did and the use of the steele dossier coming out through the fbi, the state department and so forth. so i think there's -- there could be criminal charges. we ...

Of the upcoming report from the i.g., the horowitz, the inspector general on the alleged fbi surveillance abuses. >> we also know that they reuped on those fisa warrants, too. some of the people that handled that were republicans. so there's been a question of was that court actually manipulated or lied to via evidence that should have never been entered. >> i just want to add that in terms of the steele dossier, which we -- it smells bad from here. "the new york times" reporting about this becoming a criminal investigation, framed it as politically tainted without evidence. it did not mention...

>> could be reports of leaks of the transcripts of mike flynn's phone call. although i think transparency is good -- >> we know they lied on the fisa warrant. we do know that. that state department official, kathleen kavalek met with steele, documented his motivations that she said his client was keen to see the anti-trump materials come to light. his claims about the miami whatever -- the miami consulate where they were looking at russian assets. she forwarded that and let the fbi officials know that he wasn't credible before they went to the fisa court. nine days later and signed that there ...

To the headline of your peace, the efforts to secretly reshape the trump probe started in 2016. now we know that ohr and steele are close. steele is funneling informationn to andrew weissmann. hillary clinton's rush and for wise make it to mueller's special counsel office, more importantly, bruce ohr is the conduit. 70 plus contacts with steele, meetings, text, written messages. >> and who does he bring to the meetings? the meetings where they are going to talk about wanting them to the fbi. he brings his wife. the conflict of interest is sitting at the table. >> sean: and lisa page and peter ...

The efforts to secretly reshape the trump probe started in 2016. now we know that ohr and steele are close. steele is funneling information to andrew weissmann. hillary clinton's rush and for wise make it to mueller's special counsel office, more importantly, bruce ohr is the conduit. 70 plus contacts with steele, meetings, text, written messages. >> and who does he bring to the meetings? he brings his wife. the conflict of interest is sitting at the table. >> sean: peter strzok, andrew mccabe, they are all trump hater's so now the question is this. is this the insurance policy? >> i think it ...