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Any republicans who have been real profiles in courage and willing to take a real party second country first approach to this? >> they have worked tremendously better than adam sclif was when devon nunez conducting his investigation. but the chairman issues subpoenas without working with the democrats that is destructive. despite that, we keep going forward. all of us believe that on the democratic side and two republicans that an independent investigation, like we did after september 11th, bipartisan appointed, independent experts on foreign policy, national security, that is the most compreh...

Now we've got the question of, do the tapes exist or not exist. all of these are really easy answers. yet we get tangled up in it and the president won't answer. these tapes, this has been going on for weeks, do these tapes exist or not? >> 50 shades of gray. it reminds me yesterday i think was the 45th anniversary of the watergate break-in, gretchen. you remember the nixon tapes were ruled to be nixon's property even though they were seized after his death. i wonder if that's going through donald trump's mind with some of this. but i think the bigger issue right now, we have a lot of shades o...

Comey has said overly that he orchestrated the appointment of special council. he looked at that and the question is always, you know, how would you define obstruction of justice. when is jollying along someone interpreted as don't go there. and that's a judgment call that's, i think, going to be hard to make. >> let's move then back to the issue of the tapes that president trump has hinted exist of his conversation with former director and we don't know if they do expect. president won't answer, so when might we find out on loyalty. it's how does the house intelligence committee get ahold of ...

Will he be put in these situations. >> and if you're in those meetings, whether it's health care, fax reform, are they less likely now to trust what the vice president tells them thinking that's the president? that he's speaking for the president? or is he speaking for mike pence? >> he's still got a relationship with a lot of people on capitol hill. i don't think it's they don't trust him. the question is is that the conduit to the decision maker and that puts him and the lawmakers in a similar boat . if we believe they're all speaking based on what they know as well as they can represent, th...

Which as you point out flies in the face of what white house officials said but also -- until they were undercut by the president. then they went back to the memo as rational yesterday. we heard there was frustration on the deputy attorney general's side. but while lawmakers were, on the briefing itself, he was def reshl, this was the key take away that just about everybody coming out pointed to. that he clearly was told that jim comey was going to be fired and then he sat down and wrote the memo which again flies directly in the face of what white house officials say. >> there's a missing pie...