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South korea, it's almost like someone like us talking to someone from the 1950s. we speak the same language but there's a barrier. >> even more different than that. what's happened is that you have two koreas. they sit side by side. but they've had very different developments since 1948. so, people -- the dialects are different. word usage is different. there are very difficult communications problems. we're seeing this now with the woman's ice hockey team fielded by both north korea and south korea, same team. they're having problems talking to each other. this is going to be -- you know, thi...

If you do want to criticize the president's word choice, it would be diplomacy. we see how things -- you can say they're just words. they actually have an effect. that's why our diplomatic interactions say when president obama or bush would have a phone call with china, there were certain things you couldn't say. you wouldn't say anything that suggests taiwan is a nation. you can say you're concerned about human rights, but don't go this far. but on the whole, the idea that he's reaching out and talking to these people shows, i think, that he's learning a lot, that you can show strength as he ...

Specifically on what he said about gays and lesbians, what does that reveal? >> well, it shows his pastoral side. first of all, notice that he uses the word "gay" which a lot of vatican leaders do not use. popes haven't used it. they've talked about homosexuals or same-sex attraction. he said who am i to judge them? specifically a gay priest. that's a huge change from 2005 when a document came out from the vatican saying that gay priests could not be admitted to seminaries or religious orders. i think we're seeing a very different tack on this particular issue. >> a change in tone, change in t...