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Cutouts or work arounds. stone says in there make sure i'm not the source, that you don't connect me as the source in there. that's a coverup that glen was talking about. when you're looking at collusion, this is that triangle that has to be put together. while we hear all sorts of different versions in the public, you're seeing the mueller team and each of the indictments lay out a piece of information that works from the campaign to intermediaries back to organization one back to russia. there are those middle players i think that we need to look at moving forward. i would expect that to be ...

You can imprison a supreme court justice and the rest of the court can go on. you can imprison a member of congress, the rest of congress goes on be. >> a sealed indictment you don't have that problem if you seal the indictment until after. >> that's right. when he's no longer the president. i think there are several workarounds that the government could use to actually if they wanted to get donald trump the citizen, they could get him. >> right. another interesting thing is, when i asked you about barr, what happens with the southern district of new york and with mueller's office, they could ...

That's why a briefing is important. >> some of the trend as well where the president talks about himself as being the person who cracks down on immigration and does what previous presidents did. that has harsh consequences. the the family separation policy is another example. it's the same thing that the previous two administrations did. that was not true. people cross the border under president obama or president bush and it was a mother who seemed non-threatening and had a young kid. they didn't require that the mother go to be incarcerated which requires separating the kid. they had what is...

Particular law does not need reform. that needs to be honored. it's a law. it needs to be processed. we have a strong asylum system and it needs to be upheld. they need to stop trying to create work arounds and having knee-jerk reactions, instead creating so called crises that don't exist. they need to use the processes that are in place. >> scott, go ahead, weigh in on mrs. clinton's efforts to clarify herself there. are these tweets enough or does more need to be done? >> i think more needs to be done regarding the tweets but in the u.s., democrats and republicans believe in immigration refo...

Might not be qualified at all to fill those positions. >> david, senior administration official told our jake tapper, quote, in this administration, there are arsonists and there are firefighters. the president is looking to get rid of the firefighters. the more he does, the faster his administration is going to burn down. what's your reaction to that? >> well, first of all, let me say, i appreciate mark's characterization of the best and brightest coming first. because i left after two years. so i appreciate that. but i will tell you, from my experience in the white house, that the hardest th...