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With my mother and father. and when we're outside of the office, we really try to limit the work conversation as much as possible, because i think that is probable, not necessarily fair to my wife or to my father to have it always be work conversation when it is my mother. >> what about you? do you limit it? >> it is tough. like, just to be honest, it is so difficult. because i think every entrepreneur relates to this once you start your business, you are all in. it is 24/7. and what i find the most difficult part is, when you do want that five-minute break of, okay, i'm just going to do somet...

Alternative method of use of a firearm. >> whichever one gets to the firearm, that's the one you use. >> as you have testified before, you have known mr. zimmerman for how long? >> least five years. >> i believe that your wife had met him first? >> she did. >> through work? >> she did. >> have you had an opportunity then to interact with mr. zimmerman over the past five years? >> often. >> i think you testified that he's your best friend, correct? >> yes. >> have you heard his voice then in different varying situation or experiences? >> i have. >> and just an overview of some of the different ...

Zimmerman for the year you weren't working there? >> yes. >> when you came back, how often would you see him on a weekly basis? >> i would say sometimes daily or several times a week. it varied, quite often. >> have you had an ability to interact with him on almost a daily basis? >> yes. >> to hear his voice? >> yes. >> and if you can tell us, if you can, we started using the tomorrow of a spectrum of different voices, anything from conversational tone, yelling, laughing, you sort of tell us to the extent that you have heard him speak in different ways, tell us about that, if you would. >> you...

>> i don't think so. >> i hope not. how do you know if your co-worker is calling for happy hour or a work conversation? >> can you imagine the paperwork involved in this? boxes and boxes was ridiculous supporting documents. i think wayne hit a poign. what is a job? what is a job? a voluntarily mutually beneficial exchange between the employer and employee. for the government to man date this and that to the panel's point it is a negotiation between the two parties . they have no penalty and getting involve would mucks it up even more. >> you think it is unforceable. yes, it is. brazil has over...