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We need to get beyond status quo because the status quo is not acceptable. i'm for pushing across the country, we need some form of immigration reform. border security first. we should have something that allows people who work in our country, who are here, we will find a place to work and we link it to work. >> and path to citizenship. >> well, the path to citizenship is a longer, more difficult goal. >> you don't rule it out as an end game. >> i don't think any immigration reform will get out of washington that includes a path to citizenship. but i do think there is a path to a secure border...

High-tech surveillance equipment. you're saying that's not good enough. you want more security or a different way of certifying that the border is closed? >> two things. i wantedthingses. i wanted congress to certify that the border was secure. and to do that before we allowed legalization. i think that would have ensured we did our job and the government would secure the border. the second thing is equally as important. i thought we had to have plenty of work visas because right now, about 400,000 people come in to pick crops but only 65,000 of them use the work visa program. this bill is act...