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In smoky clubs to something that could truly become mass audience, television—based sports. how and why did you see that potential? when i looked at it, ijust thought, you know, this is where i'd be on a normal night. i'd love to be here, because, you know, i like the action, i liked the fact that darts, in particular, was a party night. snooker was a bit more deeper, more cathedral silence, but you tailor make each event for the target market you're trying to attract. it sounds easy, and it's not. i'm just wondering about your mentality at that time because you're in your 20s at this point ...

Sports. how and why did you see that potential? when i looked at it, ijust thought, you know, this is where i'd be on a normal night. i'd love to be here, because, you know, i like the action, i liked the fact that darts in particular was a party night. snooker was a bit more deeper, more cathedral silence, but you tailor—made each event for the target market you were trying to attract. it sounds easy, and it's not. i'm just wondering about your mentality at that time because you're in your 20s at this point, and we're talking about the 1970s, going into the 1980s. were you, in a way, trying...

>> you have mentioned your wife more than almost anybody i interviewed. >> nobody has connie shultz as a wife. >> you have such an extraordinary wife. >> she doesn't tell me how to vote. when we started going out almost 20 years ago, we would compare hate mail from the same people. she grew up as a working class kid. she spent a week in the cleveland clinic. that informs the way she thinks. my mom was a small town georgia kid. my dad went off to war and they met in washington.

>> i've got a fantastic one more thing. it's a great book you should check out called "the career manifesto." in achieving a impactful career in any field. the author mark stein wrote this guide using his own expense working up as a working-class kid, going up all the way to nbc, google, and now a publicly traded company called "the knot knot." take a look at this. you should check it out. we want to give a special shout out to our fantastic, fabulous fans that watch "the five" every day from aruba. >> aruba? >> one of our producers going on vacation there. they are watching right now. we do c...

Of the coverage. >> neil: did you think it would come up? >> i did. but my former wife said we're good friends, this never happened. put it to rest. if i had been -- the big problem here was that the left and the democrats didn't want a successful businessman that started as a working class kid, that knew what it was not to come up with enough money at the end of month and created tens of thousands of jobs and knew what it took to generate economic growth, that was their worth nightmare. so they were going to do anything they could to keep me out of that office because if -- and donald trump -...