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And he's going through the newspaper and he sees this photo and he says he recognizes this guy, seen hanging out with john mccain in syria, this week, holding a camera, as the photographer and spokesman of the rebel group that kidnapped and held him captive last year. the former kidnap victim telling the lebanon daily star today, quote, i recognized him immediately. he was the photographer who was brought in to take our photos during our captivity. he works with the kidnappers. he knows them very well. now, msnbc news has not independently confirmed that this guy is from the rebel group that k...

He's going through the newspaper and sees this photo. and he says he recognizes this guy seen hanging out with john mccain in syria this week, holding a camera, as the photographer and spokesman of the rebel group that kidnapped and held him captive last year. the former kidnap victim telling the lebanon daily star today, quote, i recognized him immediately. he was the photographer who was brought in to take our photos during captivity. he works with the kidnappers. he knows them very well. now, we cannot and nbc news has not independently confirmed this guy seen with john mccain is in fact th...

Spokesman for the kidnap group, but if it turns out mccain did accidentally meet with a guy from the kidnapper group, that would be, and i am quoting, regrettable. now, imagine the quote that you would get from john mccain's office a year from now when, let's just say hypothetically, some surface-to-air missile we shipped into syria ends up shooting down an israeli plane full of passengers. what's a word stronger than regrettable? joining me at the table, journalist rula gibril and matt welch. it's great to have you both here. >> thank you. >> last night this story broke. it had broken in the ...

In post-assad era. and this photo confirmed that. >> let me explain this in terms of the dynamics. two major strains of islam, sunni and shia. sunni is majority, shia minority, throughout the region. but there are basically three pillars of shia power in the region. hezbollah, the militia in lebanon, the assad regime, which is a small sect of shia, and the iranian regime. those three are now, together, allies, right -- >> i would add iraq. >> iraq, increasing. those are now allies, fighting against the sunni, the largely sunni -- so it is being understood in the region, and is in the region, a...

As if there is some awesome foolproof vetting process for rebel militia groups in the middle of a war zone. do you work with al qaeda? do you hang out with al qaeda? if you had some missiles, what would you use them for? okay, maybe not so easy which brings us back to the photo of john mccain hanging out with syrian rebels this week and the big revelation. when this photo surfaced in reports about mccain's secret trip, a guy from lebanon saw it on the news and he thought to himself, you know, i recognize one of the rebels in that picture. this lebanese guy was on a religious pilgrimage last ye...