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Continuing to stick close to the leader and not criticize him personally. >> i think it's because he realizes again, nothing really happens in north korea without kim jong-un, and kim jong-un's approval. we're not dealing with a democracy there. so, you know, this is what you call a personal summit versus a plenary or political summit. and i think he realizes that that's the fulcrum. and i quite frankly think that kim jong-un also looks at us in that way. like trump's a different kind of president, and unless he deals detective directly with trump, nothing's going to happen. steve biegun was h...

Community's view that during that time period, they've been making more missiles and manufacturing more fissile material. >> right. >> that's a continuation of their brinksmanship, is it not? what's the game? >> practically i don't think in a real sense, other than the freeze in testing, we're really all that different. they're still producing fissile material. they are still building weapons. they are still developing the technology to have an icbm that can mount a nuclear weapon. they don't have re-entry all done, but they're still working on that. just because he's not testing doesn't mean ...

Between the two teams? where, when, and at what level are they actually going to start to negotiate this way forward? >> when you're dealing with someone who has absolute power in a country like north korea, focusing on kim jong-un is not an unwise strategy because everything in that country, there's such heavy pressure to do whatever kim jong-un wants you to do. high level officials are not even drinking alcohol right now while he's out of the country because they say they shouldn't be celebrating until he comes back. they don't think it's appropriate. i mean that's like kids when their paren...

Prepared to offer in return? the president said there is no third summit set. secretary mike pompeo said there are no talks scheduled at a working level at least yet. he didn't say they are going to stop talking. he said there are no new talks scheduled. the question is, the president imagined with the force of the personality, with the power of the personal relationship he's struck with kim jong-un, that that would be able to move the dial despite warnings he got from senior aides but he was not able to move the dial for a second time. >> jim, on that front, we are learning more this morning ...

Basically two into going to stick states this is a big challenge well how would you see that process moving for you say the progress needs to be made on the working level these negotiations are nothing new they've been going on under different presidents different north korean leaders for quite some time how would you approach that aside from saying they need to work on it what actually has to happen in concrete terms who needs to move what where first of all we have to remind ourselves that this is a different process this time around and we have for the first time a top down mandate the mand...