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For a meeting like this one, who we don't necessarily know if he's going to address crimea or if he's going to address the ukraine or the situation in syria? how unlikely is it to have a leader like that? >> well, it's unprecedented in that there were no national security meetings in the run up to this meeting. there was a conversation in march where the president ignored advice not to congratulate vladimir putin, advice from his staff not to congratulate vladimir putin on his fixed re-election in the presidential victory many moscow and then went on to discuss they wanted to have a meeting, t...

Fsb, which is the successor to the kgb, which putin once was a top officer in. the concern, of course, about a one-on-one meeting with no official note takers, no advisers, is that vladimir putin is a spy master, a former spy master. he's so experienced in all of this. donald trump has shown in brussels and then in london, of course, how inexperienced, if you will, he is on the world stage given his quick gyrations on everything from the european union policy to of course his insults to theresa may. chris dickey is here with me. today theresa may is facing challenges in parliament, in her part...

Kgb oagent, an operative controlling other agents. he does know how to control this kind of conversation. he knows how to play to somebody who's got a big ego, who likes to brag, who likes to show how important he is. i think all those descriptions would fit donald trump. i think when they get one on one in a meeting of 90 minutes, anything could happen. it's perfectly conceivable that trump will be manipulated in that conversation into believing he's achieved some kind of major breakthrough or vik ri on syrcta or ukraine or some other issue and in fact he will have given away the farm. >> sti...

>> i want to bring in ned price. he worked at the nse. i was looking at that breakfast this morning, who was seated next to the president, mike pompeo was there. a few days ago we heard from john bolton saying we shouldn't look at this meeting, as the administration is calling it, in concert with that summit in singapore. these are two different things, he said. i wonder you make the same distinction. >> well, david, it's really hard to disaggregate these two things. as andrea was alluding to, there are so many similarities between the two. donald trump going from a meeting of our closest alli...

Warranted by the relationship between the united states and russia. certainly there are reasons to have a meeting, a working visit, but this has much more seriousness, much more gravitas. while john bolton suggested that it was not going to have any deliverables while jon huntsman, the u.s. ambassador to russia, said to chuck todd on "meet the press" yesterday, this is not a summit, it's a conversation. the president called it a summit with a capital "s" in his tweets yesterday. so he's looking at it as a summit. that's given vladimir putin exactly what he would desire, which is a summit with ...