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Volunteer thing we could do tomorrow morning if you're interested. >> thursday, ryan spent three hours getting blood platelets, friday, he'll pick up trash at the national mall. while he's being productive with his newfound freedom, he says he still feels held hostage by the shutdown. >> let us work without having anxiety over our next grocery bill, for those who are working out bill right now and whose leave was canceled over the holidays. >> andrea is one of those with a choice between groceries and utilities. >> all those things are already prebudgeted. so when something like this happens a...

>> thursday ryan spent hours giving blood platelets, and while he is being productive with his newfound freedom, he feels hostage to the shutdown. >> let us work and have no anxiety over our grocery bill. >> andrea is one of those with a choice between utilities and groceries. >> when something like this happens and you are not going to get your next check, you are, like, what do i do? >> over all, 380,000 workers are lure load and another 420,000 working without pay. traditionally, congress gives back pay to those employees. >> it puts small businesses out of business if it continues much

Workers are behind the president's demands for a wall along the u.s./mexico border. it's striking, in fact, that the president, when talking about the impact on federal workers, spoke within the terms of winning or losing. and whether this is something that is working for him politically. when, in fact, you have 400,000 federal workers that have been furloughed and another 400,000 working without pay. many of those workers have filed for unemployment benefits. you have some who i've heard from who said they are tapping into potentially their retirement benefits. you have also according to the ...

Renewal for the immigrants coknown as the dreamers in exchange for that number. the proposals like that have been float and failed on capitol hill before. they there is not a lot of clarity about what kind of deal the president would accept. >> very unclear. sarah westwood, thank you nar. the president and dem the kocra no surprise pointing fingers about this. there employees on furlough and 420,000 working without pay. i want to get perspective on the shut down blame game from a retiring lawmaker republican congressman ryan costello. you are leaving. you are unincumbered by reelection. what d...

Viqueira, thank you for joining us. many of those workers have said to me, communicated, stay out until you get the funding for the wall. these federal workers want the wall. >> joining me now, basil smikle, and kimberly atkins. basil, let's start with you. let's get a breakdown now of the government workers affected by the shutdown. we have 420,000 working without pay, 380,000 on unpaid leave. trump says they are more concerned with this wall, basil. who is buying it? >> i can't believe that that's true, i can't believe almost a million federal workers would prefer to see a "game of thrones...