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Some of these workplace rules, we have gone overboard, and i understand that. and you'll hear randy say -- whether she means it or not, we have got to reform the way we run schools. it seems to me the unions need reformers that can really -- young people that can shake them up and get them into the 21st century. it's tough. >> well, it's tough sledding, but they can still do it. >> this has been a battering for more than 30 years. globalization decimated manufacturing in this country. wiped out a lot of the union base. reagan took on the unions in his first year with the air traffic controller...

I feel that he did. i feel that he actually cared about me. >> you know, we talk about this all the time. the work with the producers. the standards. obviously a different standard. workplace rules have changed. you cannot have a relationship with somebody below you in the food chain, even outside the office. in those days, there were no such rules. it was mad men time. >> not only no rules but enablers. the aides to jack kennedy helped him. nobody is saying, mr. president, you shouldn't do this. they are helping him do this. >> right. >> what discretion in the press in those days. i keep thin...

Laws and workplace rules. what can the unions do to meet governors? democratic governors, republican governors halfway? >> well, first of all, you forgot one ingredient when you say where they're going to locate at. they go through this bidding war and try to keep getting more and more goodies. and they generally, not always, but generally overestimate what they're going to do. they'll say we're going to give you 100 jobs, going to make $20 an hour, you end up getting $10 an hour. when we do it, we have to work with governors to make sure they don't give away the store in the process. >> yeah....

Workplace rules, a regular voter, say a 50-year-old voter who will vote for cain otherwise. doesn't it matter whether he may have told a joke at work or he tried to pick up somebody at work sexually, take somebody to a company apartment. doesn't that delineation mean something or not? wouldn't that turn off some of the conservatives? >> yes, but this is david's point which is that we haven't heard directly from the women yet, and the way that the physics of this things works, inevitably we are going to hear from those women. >> it will come out. >> and when we hear from those women, that's goi...

Persons but in terms of workplace rules, a regular voter, say a 50-year-old voter who will vote for cain otherwise. doesn't it matter whether he may have told a joke at work or he tried to pick up somebody at work sexually, take somebody to a company apartment. doesn't that delineation mean something or not? wouldn't that turn off some of the conservatives? >> yes, but this is david's point which is that we haven't heard directly from the women yet, and the way that the physics of this things works, inevitably we are going to hear from those women. >> it will come out. >> and when we hear from...