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Strategist, so just one state, the strategist joining this draft biden effort isn't conclusive at all. if ten strategists were to join to the draft biden event right now i think that would be bigger news. i've talked to lots of people who think that maybe he probably will. then you talk to just as many people within the administration who think that he's not going to. the answer is, he doesn't know himself yet and he's making the calls and trying to determine for himself if it's something worth doing. i think those poll numbers are certainly an argument to do it because there may be a hupger f...

A predator again, telling democrats to protest against him. take a listen. >> anybody wants to take money from bill clinton or have a fund-raiser has a lot of explaining to do. in fact, i think they should give the money back. >> what's the thinking here, mark? what is this new bill clinton strategy that senator paul seems to have adopted? what's it about? >> it was first unveiled on "meet the press" when rand paul was on a couple weeks ago. i think it's a way for him to make splashy headlines. if he's going to be someone to run for the presidency, and we think he is on the list of potential f...

Constitution. and secondly, he does have some international law to fall back on because of the chemical weapons issue. let's cross that bridge when we come to it. right now we have a situation in which mr. putin and president assad may think that they have dodged a bullet but they have always stepped into the arena of accountability. for people that are not naive. that's what he want for everybody. we shouldn't want to escape accountability and they shouldn't. getting them into arena of accountability and raising prospects we won't have to look at picture of those kids and what they went throu...

Situation. >> good. thank you for clarifying it. appreciate it, mr. rumsfeld. let's move on to something else. you know better than anybody else the toll military action can take on the country. we're still dealing with fallout on iraq, we all know that. given that, do you think it's the better course to use military action in these circumstances or would you advise the administration to think about going heavier arming the rebels, letting them fight for themselves and heavy on humanitarian aid and wait in this situation? >> it seemed to me the time to have helped the rebels would have been a ...

Will have a tough effect, that it's worth doing, and i would personally not be in favor of supporting what he's proposing. >> and that's an interesting perspective, in terms of what the effect will be and what about the notion of how do we get out? obvious he will another part of the legacy of the iraq war. we haven't heard how we get out of this situation. do you have concerns if the plan goes forward the way we're hearing it being articulated in the senate right now that we may be, the u.s. may be too optimistic about how easy it will be to stop this type of action? >> oh, i don't know that ...