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Russia and work arounds, the people in iran who are best at avoiding sanctions are the worst actors. the revolutionary guard there, the people engaged in supporting terrorism, they constructed all kinds of black network links where they can access revenue even when iran is under pressure. what you'll see is, yes, these will have an impact on the iranian economy. the iranian people will suffer but the hard-liners will not suffer because they are the ones who create those work arounds with the chinese and russians. >> and if they were to somehow spark an iranian revolution and we've seen bad res...

A meeting to get information on an opponent. that's quite an admission. and he says, well, it's done all the time in politics and nothing came of it. let's break that down for a second. okay. just asking for dirt on a campaign rival is not in itself illegal. but if you are trying to get that information from a foreign national, never mind foreign adversary like russia, and if that information has any amount of value and here clearly that information would have had extraordinary value, then it is a crime. we just saw a clip of the president's attorney jay sekulow saying point me to a statute, t...

Joining me now, one of the architects of the deal under president obama, ben rhodes. now an msnbc political contributor. and the author of the new book "the world as it is," a memoir of the obama white house. thank you, ben. good to see you. so you helped negotiate the nuclear deal. you were, obviously, heavily invested in that outcome. it never was intended to deal with iran's terror activities, not really its -- most of its ballistic missile activities and other actions certainly syria and iran and the world. does the president have a point in that iran is the world's worst terrorist, accord...

Executive branch.r >> tucker: wouldn't it be more effective to first make your case in public slowly and clearly so voters understand? what you think this official has done wrong? >> i think this is right. i disagree with what he has done so far but he actually has produced more information than mostst of his predecessors. the case is not particularly strong historically in terms of history but i think these republicans have to think very seriously about what they would create here. the framers made impeachment difficult for a reason, they don't want impulse buymp impeachment, they don't want ...

Attempt to do real damage control. >> he lost fox, his official affirmati affirmation, and republicans. you cannot defend an american president doing this. what is pathetic is the separate attempt to fix it. it is just absolutely desperate. it was just a double negative, but it contradicts what he has consistently said. he really believes theres wasn't any meddling. the most troubling part is the line crossout. >> yeah, that somebody would be held responsible. we will take justice, we will insist on justice for the people that did this to us.