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Years of alzheimer's hell in this country because we can't solve the problem. do people really want those kind of cuts? >> well, i think in addition to those challenges that you've just outlined, there is an additional one for this congress and the white house if they really want to do anything. that is that there is a sizable majority in the 60%s in a recent poll by kaiser who thinks you can fix medicare and social security by cutting the other parts of the budget. so the public, while they may be coming around, they aren't ready for this debate yet. there's a lot of education that would have...

Years of alzheimer's hell in this country because we can't solve the problem. do people really want those kind of cuts? >> well, i think in addition to those challenges that you've just outlined, there is an additional one for this congress and the white house if they really want to do anything. that is that there is a sizable majority in the 60%s in a recent poll by kaiser who thinks you can fix medicare and social security by cutting the other parts of the budget. so the public, while they may be coming around, they aren't ready for this debate yet. there's a lot of education that would have...

Just outlined, there is an additional one for this congress and the white house if they really want to do anything. that is that there is a sizable majority in the 60%s in a recent poll by kaiser who thinks you can fix medicare and social security by cutting the other parts of the budget. so the public, while they may be coming around, they aren't ready for this debate yet. there's a lot of education that would have to take place before washington could move in a serious and fundamental way. what struck me with the deficit commission in december was they made recommendations that would change ...

>> shepard: the politics are complicated. for one republican to switch, i'm guessing that republican might have to get something, ainsuranceses, show is on this and who looks like he or she might go? >> the republicans would stick for rangle admitting he made a mistake with willfulness. >> shepard: charlie rangle said from the beginning, i didn't do anything. >> this is a sticking point. that's why a deal is surprising because one -- we don't expect any of the five republicans to agree, if he does not take it further and admit he did something wrong -- say they settle and he stays in congress,...

Course, again, one of the republicans -- say all five democrats want the deal. they need one republican because a majority of the committee has to agree to a deal? if republicans are acting in lock step, which republicans have traditionally been pretty good at compared to democrats, if what they want is a trial that would lead to the midterms, what sort of thing might be possible if you could help our viewers, that might make one republican switch over and give congressmen rangle a soft landing? >> nothing. in the sense there's nothing you can offer one of the republicans to get them to agree ...