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See that this, in fact, did happen where they said it did in chicago or los angeles, whatever the case may be. there were mountains and mountains of evidence r, some o it basic testimony from these women, like call logs and so on. some of it was evidence r. kelly had in his own possession like these sex tapes that showed in real graphic detail what was going on >> we are getting word now -- by the way, we should note that's gloria allred at the microphones getting ready to speak to the media. we should note that the defense attorneys for r. kelly are telling roeporters that r. kelly himself di...

Kelly from guilt king, when you say he was shocked, i'm not surprised. but just as a human being even listening to the courts about this trial, it is absurd that he would be shocked again, this is the mind of a serial sexual predator for him to be shocked that he's being held accountable after decades of these women crying out for help and not being heard is unreasonable. but, thankfully, he's held accountable. >> kristen givens, cynthia auxney and ron allen, i want to thank you for being here for nearly 40 minutes of breaking coverage r. kelly is found guilty of nine counts of racketeering an...

Seeing live pictures here on screen obviously these are stills, these are images from previously we are getting information from what's happening in the courtroom as people who are, as sometimes happens, scrambling in and out of the room. let me bring in cynthia, an msnbc analyst. cynthia, as it relates to r. kelly, this was a case that captivated so many people in this country because of the extreme nature of the charges against him, the raw and emotional testimony from the women who were testifying and speaking out even before this case even began against r. kelly, too >> right you know, thi...

Point, kristen, and it says a lot about where we are now even culturally as a society where we would have been 10 or 15 years ago. cynthia, i wonder if you want to jump in on that. >> i see where cases are evolving these rape cases need to go to the enablers he was not able to do this unless people were handing out phone numbers, unless somebody was locking the door to that room to that radio announcer someone was getting the fake papers that said aleah was 18 and they ended up getting married. he didn't do it all by myself. we need to move these cases, i feel, to enablers. i believe that's th...

Whether it might be r. kelly's attorneys. we'll bring that to you live if we can get it. do you think, cynthia, it would have been made a difference if r. kelly had testified on his own behalf, or no? >> i don't think it would have made a difference, but let me tell you this. nobody has to testify. you have a constitutional right and it's something we need to protect. but having said that, jurors expect it. and they sometimes, no matter what people say, it's an ugly truth, is that juries do expect it, especially in a case where there's this much evidence i would say with the over overwhelming ...