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And then by the end of the '80s, i had begun to change. >> what happened? >> empirical evidence. as a doctor, i'd been trained in empirical evidence. i mean, if the treatment is killing your patients, you stop the treatment. and i began to look and to read and to think about whether the view i had of a social democratic society like they had in europe was the right way, and i sort of -- i moved gradually to the idea of a more limited society, smaller government. >> by that time, krauthammer's world was really falling into place. in 1985, his son daniel was born. two years later, krauthammer wo...

And then by the end of the '80s, i had begun to change. >> what happened? >> empirical evidence. as a doctor, i'd been trained in empirical evidence. i mean, if the treatment is killing your patients, you stop the treatment. and i began to look and to read and to think about whether the view i had of a social democratic society like they had in europe was the right way, and i sort of -- i moved gradually to the idea of a more limited society, smaller government. >> by that time, krauthammer's world was really falling into place. in 1985, his son daniel was born. two years later, krauthammer wo...

And then by the end of the '80s, i had begun to change. >> what happened? >> empirical evidence. as a doctor, i'd been trained in empirical evidence. i mean, if the treatment is killing your patients, you stop the treatment. and i began to look and to read and to think about whether the view i had of a social democratic society like they had in europe was the right way, and i sort of -- i moved gradually to the idea of a more limited society, smaller government. >> by that time, krauthammer's world was really falling into place. in 1985, his son daniel was born. two years later, krauthammer wo...

Murderer sitting in front of me. >> after learning that the police were involved, kopenheffer most likely stayed in his store instead of going to the ransom drop site. and harry didn't see the next ransom note kopenheffer left for him at the railroad bridge. based on the forensic evidence, david kopenheffer was arrested and charged with kidnapping and first-degree murder. >> one of the things that we did is get a writing sample from kopenheffer and had him spell "exactly." he misspelled it in the writing sample the same way it was misspelled in his computer. again that's to correlate the fact ...

>> it would be some time before krauthammer embraced a conservative domestic policy, taxes, welfare, small government and other reaganesque sins. >> it took me a decade. i was skeptical of tax cuts and smaller government. by the end of the '80s, i had a chance. as a doctor, i had been trained in evidence. if a treatment is killing your patients, you stop the treatment. i sort of, i moved gradually to the idea of a more limited society, smaller government. >> by that time, krauthammer's world was falling into place. in 1985, his son, daniel was born. two years later, he won the biggest honor in...