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Very sad what's happened to paul, the way he's being treated. i've never seen anyone treated so poorly. i have not offered any pardons and i think they asked or whatever, would you? i said i'm not taking anything off the table. that was done as a question from "the new york post." >> did you tell michael cohen what to tell bob mueller? >> if cohen is such a bum, why did you hire him, have him on your payroll for 12 years and have him do so much of your dirty work? >> because a long time ago he did me a favor. a long time ago he did me a favor. no. not at all. not at all. i'm not worried at all...

The whole idea of a pardon was brought up and buried in all of this is what might have otherwise been our lead today, and that is the president saying to the new york post, you know what? for paul manafort, i'm not going to rule out a pardon because we all were trying to figure out -- you're facing what is essentially a life sentence. you have a deal as a cooperating witness. why would you lie to robert mueller? >> right. well, there's a couple of reasons that we now know. first of all, just before we jump to that, i just want to say in reading this document, it's clear that cohen has briefed ...

Vladimir putin. >> and we're going to have new emphasis as if there wasn't enough emphasis already of this meeting between the president and vladimir putin, but i also want to go to ari melber who joins us from washington, d.c. she flagged hallie just did, this critical part of what we've seen in these documents. it's from the cohen court document noting that trump family members were briefed by cohen about the moscow project. i just want to read it and have you put it into legal context for us. the moscow project was discus d multiple times within the company and did not end in january 2016. ...

Paul manafort who it's very sad what's happened to paul the way he's being treated. i've never seen anybody treat sod poed so poorly, but the question was asked to me by the new york post and i said no i have not offered any pardons and i think they asked would you. i said i'm not taking anything off the table. that was done as a question from the" new york post." >> if cohen is such a bum, why did you hire him, have him on your payroll for 12 years, and have him do so much of your dirty work? >> because a long time ago he did me a favor. a long time ago he did me a favor. no, not at all. not ...

Donald trump? because that's exactly what trump and his lawyers are going to say, that he is now a convicted liar. >> that's a great question, chris. and that's exactly what the president's defense team is going to jump on. here is how you refute that. think back to those search warrants that were executed on michael cohen's house, business and hotel room. think about the reporting that more than a million documents and other items of evidence were seized. you know what the prosecutors have been doing day in and day out with michael cohen? they've been going through every document, everything ...