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>> simple as that. explain. >> well, listen, he's long been departed from the white house. he's asserting executive privilege even though he's not an employee of the white house and hasn't been for quite some time. and he's doing so on his own via a telephone call, not at the specific direction in written form or verbally from the president. a president i might remind you, don, said not that long ago if i am asked to testimony or granted a deposition, i will be glad to do so. it stands in stark contrast or odds with the facts as they are unfolding. >> so it sounds like when you're saying i'm n...

Colleagues? how are they taking this? are they frustrated or are they okay with this? >> yesterday democrats and republicans joined together as you may have heard to on the spot issue a subpoena in an intent to compel testimony. today didn't go so well, don. >> what was the reaction in the room when steve bannon's lawyers spoke to the white house lawyers during the break? >> incredulity. >> simple. as that. explain. >> he's doing so on his own via a telephone call, not at the specific direction in written form or verbally from the president. the president as i might remind you, don, said not t...

Avoid an interview altogether according to two of the sources. simply "the washington post" is reporting an interview could come in the next several weeks. the white house declined to comment, only saying it's continuing its full cooperation with the office of special counsel in order to facilitate the earliest possible resolution. i'm joined now by joy ainsley and former independent candidate for president in 2016. and jill wine-banks was an assistant prosecutor during watergate. jill, let me ask you about this. why is the president of the united states unlike bill clinton and people before h...

The summer, for example. would he be willing to testify. he said, 100%. that was specifically in response to some of the claims that were made by former fbi director james comey. again, we need to circle back with him. but you bring up an important point. what does the president think about all of this? we don't know. frankly, we don't know if he has read in on these conversations that are taking place. at this point, as far as we understand, based on the sources we've been speaking to, these conversations are between his legal team and investigators. they do not necessarily involve the presid...

Happening is that we're putting information in written form, not in oral form and apparently the president isn't reading it. yes, there's a serious problem. but the reality is you'll not change the man. the agency -- i see it maneuvering here and working as it can to try to work within the president's personality and inserting his name into briefings and things more often. they're doing what they can to work with the man in front of them. but the reality is that the man is deeply flawed and deeply unfit. when people like me, before he was elected, warned against his unfitness, this is exactly ...