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Into moscow, but he can't even remember what an ambassador said in reference to a very serious issue? >> john, how do you respond to that? >> well, joe and don, jeff sessions, attorney general jeff sessions, gave a very narrow answer to a very narrow question that technically if you analyze it through lawyers' eyes, it was a technically correct question. but he was not forthcoming with the entire truth, and i think he said that by saying, look, i need to go back and correct the record because three words of a statement were missing. those three words were "as a surrogate," i didn't meet with a...

All the time. y yes, he would have been more clear. there is an admission that this was an easy way for them to recuse themselves. also jeff sessions during his confirmation hearing said he'd recuse himself from anything deal with the clintons because he was a member of the campaign. when he describes himself as a surrogate, it's much more than that. jeff sessions was an early endorser of this president, a key adviser to him. i think he underestimates his own influence in the campaign by just calling himself a surrogate. >> he's a creature of the senate where they have a process. you get to re...

Remember, just not even a year ago the same was required of loretta lynch for the hint of pro impropriety for her tarmac conversation with president clinton. there was not a fully vetted investigation or a hint of impropriety. that is enough for people to raise their eyebrows and wonder whether the justice department is being led by somebody who can be objective and who can be critical of the administration in a way that they are required to be if they need to be and also the fox is not guarding the henne house. his recusal is very powerful but it doesn't alleviate the underlying question here...

Terms. wasn't even thinking of the meeting he had had in his office with the russian ambassador. and that, therefore, he was not trying to mislead the committee. the definition of perjury is a statement under oath made when the person uttering it knows it to be wrong, knows it to be false or misleading. necessity say that's just not the case here. in a written question from senator patrick leahy, a more tightly focused question, saying, have you, meaning senator sessions, have you had any contact with the russians about the campaign and he said no. they say that was the context in which he was...

Senator al franken in which he said he didn't meet with russians. there was a written question senator leahy sent to him that was this. i'll put it up on the screen. question, several of the president-elect's nominees or senior advisers have russian ties. have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day? sessions reply in one word, no. so the question is, and you studied this. you are a legal annualyst. some are already saying he committed perjury. this was sworn testimony under oath. >> it walks a...