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But no matter what the evidences -- it doesn't matter about the mueller report, about barr's testimony. it certainly doesn't matter about don mcgahn and all the other thing she is trying to use as distractions from the impeachment discussion. all this is about is taking it out on president trump. she knows this is a political loser. she's trying her best to bury it under the rug. >> harris: what do you think of and some of the things that maybe she and the president have said about this? because he genuinely seemed to be surprised when she said he had engaged in a cover-up. >> josh: i think th...

Say -- let's do a, b, c first and if that doesn't work, let's have the conversation about other things in the future. >> the president is at point a and point z. this is about presidential leadership. there has been a big shift in this country, it is clear, the ground is shifting beneath everybody's feet on this issue, the republicans in the house and the senate know that. and the president is the one person in his party and in the country right now who could lead -- nixon goes to china kind of thing, he can lead the rank and file in this party and his base to common sense gun laws that start ...

Council under president obama and douglas brinkley, presidential historian. welcome to all of you. douglas, to you first. what's your assessment of president trump's tone and tenor today? >> i was surprised that he spoke like this on foreign soil, basically. continuing an assault on the media, but the very fact that he's kind of backing away from the idea that all of our intelligence agencies know that russia did, indeed, interfere with the 2016 presidential election, it struck me as very odd. it was going to be strange already, brooke, tomorrow, that if trump didn't raise 2016 elections with ...

Means. i think president trump doesn't really understand that. because he's not asking for immunity from democrats or immunity from a witch-hunt or immunity from congress. he's asking for immunity from prosecution by the justice department, okay? and so the question is why would he need that immunity? it doesn't do a -- you know, press or democrats or congress. .it's because he may have committed a crime that the donald trump's justice department would prosecute him for. so that's what's on the table here. that's what immunity means. initially get that immunity if he has important information ...

To it. it affects your family, your friends. and you do it because you believe in a cause, or you believe in a candidate. you believe in something bigger than yourself, and when you lose, it's excruciating and will be feign. as she said, for a very long time. to this day a do a would have, could have, should have in the '08 campaign. put more in the caucuses or talked more of humanity than experience. i feel for these people. they're going to be talking about what have, could have, should have for a while. >> thanks very much for joining us, patty solis doyle, cnn political common dater, forme...