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Usually as these things are staged, don, you'd go through a series of ministerial level discussion and some of this did take place but this is a really accelerated time frame that i think caught everybody by surprise. >> as i mentioned in the introduction to you that you were responsible for planning the reagan/gorbachev over nuclear arms. they met multiple times. do you see any similarities here? >> i ye >> yeah. i think both sides have to be forward leaning. there can be reputational damage, the whole thing can blow up and you can go down the wrong path. you have to be sure of yourself and w...

Over here and then see by looking over here the wall of water, or the storm surge coming in. ye yeah, wow. guys, i have to say, this is the strongest. i'm going to take a knee for a second, kind of like exhausting to stand there. >> the tree's falling behind you. >> gabe, remember, it takes nothing for rotation to start in these storms, so be on the lookout if the wind starts really swirling in a circle. >> yeah, that's exactly right, brian. directly above me i am covered. this is the rain that's -- >> wow. >> -- hitting me. >> wow. okay, gabe, why don't you get under the overhang there, buddy...

And killed me. did you ever think of that? >> they could of. >> you won't say nothing or do nothing to change it because you know the truth. >> there is not anything i can do to change it. >> there is nothing i can do to change it. >> i love you dad, i would never do that to you. >> well, i love you, too son, i did not say any untruths. >> the rinehart, they walked you through and told you the exact words to write and sign away on the x, right? ye >> yeah, basically, that's usually the way that statement thing goes. i told your lawyer i would not testify in the courtroom so bulk wi good luck...

Behind the scenes at the white house. did he do that with the new communications director? he called you out of the blue being correct? >> ye >> yeah. he's tried to build a left-right coalition on getting tough with china and the american prospect is a very well-known magazine and i've written critically on america's trade policy so all of a sudden we're soulmates. so in the course of letting his hair down and talking strat skrgee, i got a real picture of the infighting that he's in the middle of. he's got the state department and defense department who don't want to upset the apple cart in te...

Beg magnitsky act. >> there is no evidence of any crime yet, so why the continued evolution of explanations, the defenses that vary from day to day hour to hour? in ye >> yeah, that was the original explanation before the e-mails became public and we knew what at least the russian -- the russians in the meeting were billing the meeting as. so that was an old examination. i don't understand why seere se spicer was going there. i think the important thing is that this is a big distraction and while president trump may exist very comfortably in chaos, i think if you look over his career as a busi...