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Me not to have confidence in the president and in the coach. >> chris: i'm asking you a more general question, sir. how did the penn state program and the whole college seem to go so far off the tracks when this had been held up as a model of what was right in college football? >> that's the -- the internal investigation by rod erikson and ken frazer, my secretary of education, ron tamallas, that's what they're to determine. i can't answer that question. if i knew, i would give you that answer but that investigation is to be gone and to make a determination of why, when reports were made, ther...

Me not to have confidence in the president and in the coach. >> chris: i'm asking you a more general question, sir. how did the penn state program and the whole college seem to go so far off the tracks when this had been held up as a model of what was right in college football? >> that's the -- the internal investigation by rod erikson and ken frazer, my secretary of education, ron tamallas, that's what they're to determine. i can't answer that question. if i knew, i would give you that answer but that investigation is to be gone and to make a determination of why, when reports were made, ther...