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Office. >> the president and secretary of state -- they seem to have stopped the use of chemical weapons and the process they are engaged in is to prevent them from using it. >> wait, wait, wait. i think -- i agree that that was the -- that was the goal and that's why president said the line. >> red line in english, it is any other language means that you act. >> no, no, no. you can't say if you use this phrase that means you must do this. if he says red line, he is shooting -- >> if he says red line you shouldn't assume this extra stuff.

The law? >> exactly. >> maybe the law was interpreted, i think the way -- i think where i disagree is that you act adds though she is a lawyer. >> and the law is really complicated. this is not something that is uncommon. when you talk to jurors, they frequently say you know what? i just didn't understand. it really is the obligation of us lawyers when we're in trial, the last thing that you want to leave those jurors with is a tool to interpret the jury instructions that they have in order to get to the verdict that you want them to achieve. and she is saying she wanted it. she just didn't kn...

Exaggeration. do you recall being asked about that? >> yes, sir. >> do you recall i think either you uttered it or mr. o'mara uttered it on behalf of the defendant, exaggeration, do you recall what that was about? >> pertaining to the defendant's statements. >> you felt he was exaggerating certain parts of it? >> among other things. >> you were asked specifically about exaggeration. did you feel he had exaggerated the manner in which he had been hit? >> yels. >> from what you've seen, do you think he was exaggerating? >> i don't. you have to put yourself in the moment. there's fistacuffs. ther...

Asked, uttered it, on behalf of the defendant, exaggeration, do you recall what that was about? >> pertaining to the defendant's statements. >> you felt he was exaggerating certain parts of it? >> among other things. >> you were asked specifically about exaggeration. did you feel he had exaggerated the manner in which he had been hit? >> yes, sir. >> from a forensic standpoint, from what you've seen of the injuries, do you think he was exaggerating? >> i don't. you have to put yourself in the moment. there's fisticuffs. there's a lot of slamming and hitting, smashed in the face. the head is sm...

And then even those that hold that ideology, there's a great chasm between being radicalized and committing violence in the name of radical islam. so that individuals that are to the left of that chasm that have not committed an act of violence, tussle's hard to investigate them, to track them, to surveil them because they're not committing any crimes. so if there's a person out there, if there's a group of individuals out there that are saying, look, brother, you can't just hold this ideology. islam, radical islam requires that you act. and these acts are what people push them to do, then tho...