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Should have as much life , you - experience as possible to be able to make an informed decision. that's all i'm saying. >> so 21-year-olds shouldn't serve on a jury. >> hold on for a second. i think it's very layered. there is a lot of things for her to take in. she is one of those kids. she is a pier. you get to -- what i think is interesting in this case and in the trayvon martin case, we start to see the voices and the faces of more black youth. they are varied. this way hopefully we can start to break up the stereotypes that get these kids in these places where people have irrational fears...

>> you said this child is complicated and this child needs had been. >> she is a child. she is 21. >> she is not a child. your opinion. it was in a demeaning tone. i don't like it. she is not a child. she is a thinking woman. you might not think -- has she lived a life? not the life we have, but i hope our journey still continues too. >> your listening is interesting, but we are all different. >> yes, we are. three great black people that are very different. >> hold on. i love to talk. i won't even do that. you get what i'm saying. at 21 years old, you are still a child. i don't mean to demean...