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Birthers around him. >> it's about changing the rules. the rule in a presidential election is in the primaries you pander. you pick up, shore up your base. then in the general election you pivot. we are a few days from the start of the republican national convention in tampa. this should be pivot time, coming back to the middling with moderate time. this should be about getting the independent voters. they instead decided go all in on pander. the next four days are going to be pander. they have put forth a platform that is mean spirited, that is small. that attacks women's rights. you've got s...

In other words, he's going to be pushed with a statement that he made 15 years ago. don't answer that. back it up and look at the ma crow picture and give the big vision. in other words, if somebody says, you said x about same sex marriage, don't defend the comment. back up and talk about the important things. >> bill: what do you do, blow off the question? you go, look, i'm not going to answer that? >> you pivot. you don't allow yourself to get into the nuances -- >> bill: the moderator also say he didn't answer it. >> let them say whatever they want to. >> bill: but you flat out don't answer...