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Up, he sees you, he's going to shoot you. >> so what did you do? >> there was a point where the gunshots stopped, and i saw people running and i thought, they're running, he's not shooting, just get up and go, and i just got up, grabbed my daughter's hand and we just -- we just got out of there as soon as we could. >> you ran? >> yeah. i was trying to find jamie. i didn't have my phone. thankfully there were three people, two boys and a girl. i wish i would have gotten their name. the female lent me her cell phone, said i could call jamie, helped me with my daughter. and i'm thankful for that,...

Mean that normal competition will turn to bounty hunting and both people in both campaigns will get their juices flowing and they'll take meaner and meaner shots and that will suppress turnout and that will, i think hurt the president more because his favorability ratings are so much higher. >> it does beg a broader question. carly, you ran, and here's the cover of "the week," magazine, and billionaires run super pac attacks on race and religion. is this what david is referring to? are we now -- i guess the question is what does it take to get elected at this stage of the game? >> well, i do t...

Mean that normal competition will turn to bounty hunting and both people in both campaigns will get their juices flowing and they'll take meaner and meaner shots and that will suppress turnout and that will, i think hurt the president more because his favorability ratings are so much higher. >> it does beg a broader question. carly, you ran, and here's the cover of "the week," magazine, and billionaires run super pac attacks on race and religion. is this what david is referring to? are we now -- i guess the question is what does it take to get elected at this stage of the game? >> well, i do t...

I know a lot of people, tom foley was a local politician -- a local lawyer, got elected to congress. it used to be, if you ran, ran a good campaign, came across pretty well, you could win a race without having a zillion dollars. now, if you say this information flow, according to you, is run by money. >> that's not what -- >> you just said it. >> deb fischer is an example of what you're talking about. he's a rancher, a mother, a small business owner. >> because she was anointed by your rich buddies. >> she was not anointed by anybody. >> mr. rickets has got a couple hundred million dollars and...

This is an extension of civil marriage protection i. why not let the muslims have polygamy. >> i hope you evolve. thank you very much. >> sean: here with reaction, the author of the best selling 9-9-9 and the army of davids, herman cain. and bishop harry jackson, the pastor of hope christian church. welcome both of you to the program. pastor, don't you like being lectured by an nbc liberal that your views need to evolve, pastor? >> it's funny. he didn't want to hear our point of view. all the programs we have been on so far during this season have characterized my views as being the neander ne...