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Him and i think he's the right person to be at the department at this time. >> so you called this a storm. knowing what you know right now, being at the secenter of this storm? >> i don't think it's fair to him to speculate on how he feels. he will do what's right for the department and that's to me what was so gratifying. he's had an amazing career of 27 years or so with the department, career civil servant and i, like many lawyers, was really gratified that he was willing to step up. i'm not going to speculate as to what he might be feeling or any of that. it's quite a dtumultuous time. >> y...

John boehner either is from some sort of deviously subtle game or just kind of winging it every day. >> i can't figure it out. >> in any event, he's not ready to give up the leverage he has, or thinks he has at this point. so he has to say i don't have the votes for a clean continuing resolution, even though basic arithmetic suggests that the votes are there. and president obama is trying the call his bluff. the senate democrats are going to do the same i gather with the debt ceiling and try to pass a clean debt ceiling and send it over to the house. >> if they vote, that's fair, isn't it, car...