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Balancing that must be struck here? we know the 40 arrests after the firing and bombing of the saudi embassy there showing the outrage in the country and across the world but also keep, yu know, rule of law in their own capital? >> victor, i don't know, you know, what kind of rule of law we are talking about there in terms of a comparison to our rule of law. as general hertling mentioned, they don't have freedom of speech in saudi arabia. you do not criticize the regime. on the other hand iran doesn't either, so interesting these two countries would go it a on those type of grounds when neithe...

Which we've seen in other stories that we've had. that's what the point is, yes. >> let's take a look at some the passages many suzanne, i think she's with human rights watch, i think it is and could be taken as a sexist pick. and she goes on to talk about how apparently, i think it is -- women should feel umbrage at the idea that the votes could be attracted by putting any woman on the ticket no matter of her qualifications. >> right. that's one of the things that was ruminated over as maybe this is how we go against palin. >> mother jones, everybody kind of knows where that leads. but here's...