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With donald trump it's hard to tell because the bar is much higher for him than it would be or lower depending on how you look at it than anybody else. i'm interested to see if she makes any statement judge chutkan on monday about his behavior. if you keep letting it slide, we're wringing our hands. he's just going to keep doing it with impunity. >> he's still talking to special counsel about bernie carrick and what they can hand over and can't hand over. he also told me there's so many unidentified coconspirator in d.a. fani willis' case it might make them hesitant to cooperate with the speci...

Willis, in the d.a.'s office. you know, he has credentials on both sides of the aisle. you know, i'll be interested to see when he holds his first hearing, you know, what his demeanor is like, and you know, how he will handle, you know, the eyes of the world with him on this trial. >> shannon, vaughn, lisa, thank you guys for starting us off. do not go far. coming up next, we're going to get more on the legal aspect of this. i am curious, an october 23rd trial date, how possible is that? we're going to ask some experts. do not go anywhere. some expert. do not go anywhere (bobby) my store and m...

Sits next to them. the fact that trump would rather be on the campaign trail, for example, doesn't constitute that kind of prejudice, nor does the fact that he has other indictments going on simultaneously. it remains to be seen -- first of all, we haven't seen trump's motion. he's just filed a notice that he intends to file his own motion, and it remains to be seen whether a judge will entertain that, and then of course there's the other issue, is this case going to be in the state court to begin with. i think mark meadow's motion to remove to federal court is likely a loser, but on monday we...

>> not going to happen? >> no. but she's putting down a marker, setting a tone for the case. >> saying bring it on. >> she called ken chesebro's bluff. maybe he's ready to go. as catherine has been pointing out all day, defendants risk something by saying, okay, i'm ready to go right now. he has to sort of be ready and face a d.a. who's been prosecuting this case and been ready for two years. she knows this in and out, and so do all of her deputies, and to be able to have the time to process all of that discovery, it's a risky move. it's a gamble. >> and only thing that mr. chesebro and his at...

And the "atlanta journal-constitution" senior editor trump grand jury coverage shannon mccaffrey. i want to get to mark meadows and the jail, but lisa, i have to start with you, these dueling filings, talking about a trial date, october 23rd. d.a. fani willis and kenneth chesebro are in agreement, yeah, that's fine. does that mean we might see a trial with just him or him and a few others as soon as october? >> reporter: possibly, but in order for donald trump to get out from under that trial date, a judge is first going to have to decide that his case should be severed from the rest of them, ...