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Matthew, there has been some discussion of the united states helping set up or protect a government in exile for ukraine in case things get so bad that president zelensky cannot hang on and needs to be spirited out of the country. what do you think of that type of move? >> i think this is a very sensitive topic. i say that because given the situation it is an ongoing war in the president zelensky himself as a target and so far survived three assassination attempts discussing openly and publicly as we have the notion of a government exile or even the succession can be dangerous. mostly because ...

It. in one attack in particular a flame was hit and at least two children died in that. in mariupol in the south, a ceasefire failed again. 200,000 civilians remained trapped there. as you look at the map of the south, establishing that land corridor they hope right across the south. the civilians caught up in this of course. then we have that convoy stalled north of kyiv, is it actually stalled? are there fuel and morale problems we have been hearing about? is it a decoy. president zelensky says every ukrainian must fight for his or her country. >> don't give up, they shout to the occupiers, ...

Believed that president zelensky was not popular and russian troops would be welcomed? >> yes. in ukraine back in january of pull was released in which president zelensky was said to only have 30 percent support of the people in terms of him running for reelection and only 23 percent would actually vote for him again. in addition to questions in the poll only 10 percent of ukrainian said they had faith in their government and only 10 percent said they had faith in parliament and 40 percent said they were not fight for ukraine. assuming that mr. putin was aware of this poll, he had every indica...

Zelensky asked for ammunition, now they are watching their own people be slaughtered through these war crimes. they are playing for everything, and the russians seem to be disorganized and not even understand why they are there. jon: the russians were told apparently that they would be welcomed as liberators. that has to be bad for morale if you are a poorly trained russian conscript. >> it does. and the losses they are taking are just incredible. i know from the inside that we have to work hard to cut through to the truth. but talking to people in high levels in russia yesterday, i can tell y...

Invasion of ukraine. it makes no sense for russian interests. but an issue i think is troublesome, zelensky saying putin can't be allowed to win. putin is a thug and war criminal, we know that. since we can't send in military force without risking a nuclear war. zelensky has to be prepared to deal. offering a neutrality agreement. i think it pressure on the russian people grows, putin will become more willing to make a deal to get out of this. or maybe there will be an effort to overthrow him. but something is going to break. jon: judy, what about that possibility, the possibility that someone...