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President hamid karzai at the white house as we speak. the two leaders are discussing a range of issues, including the future role for u.s. troops in afghanistan after the war formally ends in 2014. u.s. commanders have proposed keeping anywhere from a few thousand troops to upwards of 20,000 after that date. but the president is reportedly also considering a so-called zero option, leaving no troops. michael hanlon is a senior fellow and foreign policy studies at the brookings insurance taoufplgts he's traveled to afghanistan nine times has met several times with hamid karzai. michael if you y...

Martha: tough for her. she is coming up at the top of the next hour. meantime we're learning some new details about possible white house plans for troop withdrawals from afghanistan ahead of next year's drawdown. there is a new report out that has an administration official floating the idea of pulling out all of the troops. the so-called zero option. molly henneberg is with us in washington. so, molly, how likely is this zero troops in afghanistan scenario? >> reporter: hi, martha. all the obama administration will say is it is an option, a possibility, something they're looking at but clearl...