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Suspensions. a third of the english language learners, a low fraction of the special needs students. so we're playing with those kinds of numbers, sure, we might be able to get results but at what costs? >> this is one of the big arguments against charter schools. the charter movement in general is this notion of creaming. this notion you're pushing students out. district 75 which is sort of the organizational part of the system in new york that handles students with special needs, a range of spectrums don't end up often in charter schools. how do you respond? >> increasingly we're serving tho...

East new york, central brooklyn in a zone school, that's your only choice is to go to the school that the districts assign you. if it's failing, it's a take it or leave it proposition. if you're poor, it's a -- >> a second ago you were talking about how it's always going to be public schools. if it's choice, let's have school choice. privatize the whole thing. the argument you just made is exactly the argument people make for privatizing education. >> we're not privatizing it. >> if you believe it, if you think it's ridiculous to consign someone to the absolute unfairness of having to go to th...