House, there and people walk around in clothes there centuries, so the hostess sits down at the piano, everyone came just for this , they Start Playing neoclassical music, how interesting it is, then he starts talking, then it turns out that one of the people is such a leading screenwriter, goriovsky, i didnt even know, he seems i wrote so many films, so here we are we talked to him about literature and when i said the word dostoevsky, and he suddenly changed in his face, he changed, he became completely different and suddenly bowed, i think he was bowing to me, i bowed like that, said oh , dostoevsky, yes, and, of course, there are people who understand this, yes , they understand, sooner or later, after all, i was listening to you just now, i remembered, i recently watched some series, an american one, a detective series, and there are two detectives theyre sitting in the car, one of the glove compartments opens, theres dostoevskys idiot, he says, its a good book, then the little guy says, its dostoevsky, he says, well, its a book. And that second time he doesnt even say anything to him, he just looks at what to explain to you, thank you, dear friends, i am eternally grateful to you, today we had cult musicians, alexey bilov, vyacheslav butusov, im vladimir ligoida, we were gathering thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon , thank you. Hello, friends, this is a podcast, the life of the wonderful, with you i, its host, writer, alexey varlamov, my guest is wonderful director, evgeniy borisovich kamenkovich. Hello , evgeniy borich, hello, professor , thank you for taking the time to come to our studio, i would like us to remember a little about the person whose name the theater you head, the workshop, bears. He has a theater, why is it just pyotr fomenkos workshop, tell me a little about him, its very easy to talk about pyotr naumovich, because if you somehow try to classify him into components , then for me its a very big question, what comes first, he is like an artist, great, or like a person, very often when you. People who knew fomenko personally, they first remember some meetings with him in life, and then they remember his performance, it happens, of course, the other way around, but for you, for me, everything is mixed up and it generally seems to me that this is the happy one a case when the way a person lived, he created the same way, with pyotr naumovich it seems to me that a priori it could not be boring, its just. that was excluded, yes, he had long, difficult rehearsals, sometimes he rehearsed for years , but it was always very interesting, everything he did, and with this is where, as it seems to me, the profession of a director begins, he was always tormented about what he was doing, but if he suddenly did not understand, well , some period or some part of the performance, he could simply get sick and disappear there for 2 weeks, but when he came, well, this is probably a common place in theater circles , but everyone knows that if some, not the best student asked him to help analyze the play, then pyotr naumovich would open the list of characters and ask the student a question, so what . Who loves whom, in my understanding, in general, flamenco and love are some kind of synonyms, and love, well, not so, say, romantic or some kind of mundane. And some kind of love in full, so how can i explain it, it happens very often in the theater, i think thats why young people dont always go to the theater, because for. Young people, the tempo of the theater is so leisurely , detail, it can sometimes be boring, but pyotr naumovich, he always brought the detail of existence to some unimaginable limits, he could rehearse some kind of exit, like all of his great predecessors, that is , the detail of human behavior, it was understood down to the micron, but can it be said that this is how stanislavskys system was, this is how fomenkos system was . I wont take on this, although im sure that it was, because i came up with my own definition about pyotr naumovich, it seems to me that fomenko is like this, well, today hes the last poet in the directing profession, but i dont know the person , who would read poetry better than him. The solution is very simple, but it seems to me that. Fomenko had only one god, pushkin, so he knew evgeny negin by heart, simply, just by heart, and could read any chapter there, i have a feeling that if he had called his theater not fomenkos workshop, but pushkins theater, well its just that there is already a pushkin theater in moscow, then it would have been so, at the first opportunity he did pushkin, and i dont know if all tv viewers know, but we recently celebrated the ninetieth birthday of pyotr naumovich and zhenya tsyganov. Gave, it seems to me, to the audience, to the theater, this was such a gift to me personally that it took and staged Boris Godunov, and there is such a backstory, which means that the last work that pyotr naumovich should have had , he rehearsed Boris Godunov for a year, and , as always, all the pushkins visited us, it was he who staged it for the third or fourth time, yes, there was such a big sheet hanging in the theater, and everyone, even the smallest roles, were noted there, since we still have. 50 artists, and there are more references to Boris Godunov, which means all the costume designers, all the makeup artists were busy, then petr arich for some reason got a job stopped, maybe because he didnt feel well, but i suspect something was wrong with something , the main thing was that the current time didnt fit with him, it was 2012, i dont know the reason, suddenly, when he turned ninety, zhenya tsyganov collected the team put on an amazing performance in my opinion, firstly, he did everything to make it happen. Media and most importantly, there is an hour and a half of recordings on the screen of fomenko rehearsing, and pyotr naumovich from the screen participating in this performance, maybe im the only one who adore this performance, so, because i wasnt at the rehearsals, i very often like to drop in and watch, so he makes a remark, and the current artists , the young ones who havent worked with him, whether they do it or not, this is some kind of amazing new genre, it seems to me , thanks to tsygnov , our theater was invented. So it seems to me that its very cool that this exists, we are often reproached that we, how can i say it, are either hiding behind fomenkos shadow or something, this doesnt bother me at all, because our literary part, after the departure of pyotr naumovich , that means you brought it to me, i didnt i can call it a spiritual testament, she brought me a list of works that he was thinking about, well, i think my life and this generation will not be enough, firstly, there, which is very cool, there is some name, there is a lady with camellias, it is written in parentheses who should play it, that is, it is clear what he thought about each actor, so i periodically look at that list once a week, sometimes it turns out to stage something from this list, pyotr naumovich loved to stage prose, adored, im not even talking about war and peace and family happiness, but in my opinion, the main theatrical statement in the theater is one absolutely happy village, a play that has been going on for more than 20 years, uh, and the actors who play in it tease me all the time, well, maybe we are already old, i say, no, you will never grow old, since the play is performed on our old stage in a very small hall, there are 78 spectators in total, we could play it much more often, but we play it there specifically once a month, well, because it. This is a very long time ago, but every time i watch it there once every 2 years, i have eyes are wet, it seems to me that petruvich didnt care what he staged , what drama, what prose, but he always didnt lead the prose into a play, but made it like prose, these are some kind of technological things, but it seems to me , this is very important, but in general, when a director chooses a play for a future performance, chooses a performance , well, lets talk about you, heres what you re directing. It seems to me that to make it clear why im doing this, lets talk about your ulysses, for example, yes, some kind of madness, right . This complex, huge novel, stream of consciousness, it was just to show everyone, you can also put this in the directory world hold wanted to put it or what . No, no, no, but its just obvious, the circumstances in my life were such that this twentyfourhour journey of the main character, a stranger in this state and the irish, it obviously lay down to some events that. This is some kind of bottomless barrel, everything is there, every genre on earth is there, all languages, all movements in art, everything is there, but it happened, i usually read any book there for evening, i fought with ulysses for a week, i mean, i thought, i pretended that i had written a dramatization, assembled without peter naumcha our entire then not very large. Theater it was 1998, and the theater appeared in what year . The theater arose in 1993, then we were without premises, without anything, and i read that it lasted about 9 hours, we broke there for lunch, dinner, staging, yes, what a staging, it was some kind of selection of material, everything was on they looked at me like that and said, maybe youll do a lot more work, theyre somehow treating me delicately they relate to me, im older, by 10 years. It died out, then, when in 2008 they built a theater for us, yes, very beautiful, on the river, they now specially built a pier for us so that people would come to us, yes, which is very nice, then suddenly in the morning a call from pyotr naumovich, he loved the hours 7 to call, and he says one word its time, and i realized that its time, so i brought the staging to mind, well , then, then there was one continuous pleasure, there were a lot of problems, but since everyone. Who worked with me too were okay with that very determined, well, we succeeded in something, then 10 years passed, but for some reason it seemed to me then that ulis was about us, there was some kind of click, we made doctor zhivag 2 years ago, well, too by the way, its a terribly interesting story, but doctor zhivag is actually some kind of song, because i had such wonderful coauthors and , above all, vanya vakulenko, who played doctor zhivag and olya bodrova, for whom it was her debut in our theater, i have a feeling that if i got sick, nothing would happen changed, they would have carried it through, they are both superprofessionals , they very keenly feel that it was necessary to make a play about how a person, despite all the circumstances around him, did not change himself, he remained himself, he remained an excellent doctor , he remained a citizen of the country, and after he left, it turned out that he was also an amazing poet, well, somehow , after ulysses, we did a lot of prose, somehow, well, not that it was easy, but it was clear when we, where we were heading, there was one big problem, it was pandemic, sometimes out of 15 people who play this play, i had four at the rehearsal, we didnt have money for the scenery then, and we somehow built it ourselves, but the audience, thank god, doesnt notice, we had money for costumes, we made the costumes, thats it. But nevertheless, i dont want theaters to be deprived of funding, but it seems to me that if people are involved in theater, they will build a theater anywhere and from anything, lopada vega has such an aphorism, theater is three boards, two people, one feeling, well, this is for me it seems like such a formula, thats why it generally seems to me that if the topic of our podcastlab is really. Uh, theater and prose, it seems to me that they have been in modern theater for a long time, and its not necessary to stage a play, although i personally really love plays, because that you dont waste time on adaptation, on translating prose into language in the theater, it cuts the rehearsal time in half and it somehow frees up your head by half, it just seems to me that with modern playwrights i think its very difficult for them, because. Thats all the beautiful modern russian modern drama, which i follow very closely, i dont know, im a fan of sorcery, a very big one, because i dont understand how a person nurtures one theater for 30 years, while managing to produce amazing playwrights every 4 years, the only thing that i have, well, not exactly a complaint, i have a question about modern drama, its all so cool, its about pain and so on, but for some reason its almost all performed in basements, this seems to me not very right, im still waiting for it to hit the main platforms country, in general, its interesting that modern prose can partly say. The same thing, its also about pain, about trauma, and also, in a sense, it remains in the basement, although there are some very large, bright events , of course, come on, i dont know whether you were bragging about it or not, but i saw a performance based on your prose at a youth theater, and i was honestly amazed at the huge number of people, and it seemed to me that the auditorium was actively breathing, thats what that evening there were a lot of young people, no, for me too. Of course it was one of the most joyful events in my life, happy, when you wrote a novel, you come to the theater, and it so happened that i did not take part in the preparation of this performance, the wonderful young playwright polina babushkina did the staging, and i was only invited to this performance for dadmom, that is, there was already such a general runthrough, and it was an absolute miracle , to see my heroes on stage, what they are like, how they play, i am very glad that the play is going on, it is going on with success, its all very true great. This is the podcast life of wonderful people, with i am you, its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guest is director Evgeny Borisovich komenkovich. I would like to return to the classics, the performance that i saw with you, i remember very well, its already such a world classic, its king lear, heres shakespeare, that s interesting, but times and centuries pass, some names appear and drown , some remain. Thats what shakespeare did, if he existed, yes, thats why they continue to stage him everywhere all over the world and try to understand his riddle, but you know, there are several plays by shakespeare that you want always stage in any condition, it seems to me that every director is different , i have four such plays there, i entered college with the storm, although in my opinion it was a monstrous explication, but the storm is not so popular, after all, but this is his spiritual testament, lets say, there is one line that is not in any russian translation and my ending is despair, and my destiny is despair, this is what to do with it, this is how the great bard ended with this, this is prospers last monologue , but it doesnt matter, but king lear, heres a historical fact, i definitely suggested this to my teacher, andrei sanovich goncharo, he is on me the maikovsky theater, the maikovsky theater, well , of course, andrei sanovich, because. He really liked to shout, in my understanding he was very similar to king lear, he laughed at me and didnt talk to me, then i started pestering fomenko because i didnt know how to get rid of me, in my opinion he didnt get his way there i know, the seventieth birthday finally said, i wont learn the whole text, but did you want him for the role . Of course, because he, well he, well damn, i dont know who is better than the ganchers or and or fomenko, but since we have. Thank god, the design was invented by a brilliant artist, in my opinion, aleksandrovich borovsky, barovsky jr. , then they managed to set such a form, correct, that then it somehow rolled off, and since our people are all talented, now this is without any humor , i say, very prepared, there were people of different generations, then somehow we managed it, i must say that when there was a pandemic, there took turns, uh, two people were sick, two dukes, and i twice, so partially from memory , partially, that means i replaced them with the text in my hands, how good i felt in this design by alexander borovsky, and we also have a theater, it seems to me, very cozy and you can see it from any place and you can hear it, and i never wanted to be an artist, although i graduated from the acting department, i had some fun there, there is also a very interesting question with the translation, yes, there is. Yes, we, no, well, this, we chose the translation of soroka, i wont rank it now translators, but still sorokas translations are very difficult to teach, but the most important thing is that he has some special annoying words that he came up with that, firstly , will not let the viewer fall asleep, well, you wont fall asleep anyway, but, but they somehow make you be on edge, thats what our most experienced artists told me there , that king lear was quite difficult to teach, we understand that prose and poetry always alternate there, it is clear that if there is pasternaks translation nearby, otherwise it is wonderful, this is not discussed, and there is the latest translation by kruzhkovo, very accurate, and it is very so, well, its very tasty, but, but still it seems to me that forty is somehow more correct, the last one, well, the last one there, i dont know, today, you have a job, as i understand it, this is a remark from the novel, black, yes, theres nothing here my merit is not there, because we turned out to have very smart actors toptsov and yuri butorin, it means they spent 2 years doing something with a stage play, which i terribly didnt like, it always seemed to me that rimark is, i love him very much, but in 16 years old, ive Read Everything and im happy, unhappy or happy love, she smokes, yes, shes definitely sick, in mountains and so on, he is magnificent, and there are films and plays all the time, and then when i Read Everything about. Happening around us, it coincided so much that i instantly joined them, as the authors of the dramatization, with my last name of course i removed it, we brought it to mind, i really didnt like the name black obelisk, so i wouldnt go with the name, its something about a cemetery, it seems to me, yes, and since we knew that we would have a premiere at twenty third year, the action of the novel takes place 5 years after the defeat in germany in the first imperialist war. Well, its just the twentythird year and we decided to play around like this, so we called it the twentythird, again we were lucky with alexander borovsky, who did a wonderful design, and this immediately suggested the form, well , i dont know, im somehow proud our theater, which is very often with us, this is by the way the idea of ​​​​peter naumch, we very often have an initiative from below, he came up with such an internal section, trial errors, and any member of the team. Can take any work to show and sometimes this work will reach end, sometimes no, but for example, now we have a group of crazy people together with yurey titov, they took up a divine comedy, well, what is it, it cant be staged at all , is anyone interested, has anyone ever staged a divine comedy, yes they staged it, well there kosteluchaya is a famous performance, but you see, kosteluchya has little left of the divine comedy, its on video, but here we have. We had the first preview, im afraid to announce it, theres no wood to knock on, but if it will be, my nose will be up, im like a temporary person boss, i will be very proud of this, so you said that today our topic is prose , which means theater, and for me the most important topic is gitis, because i have been teaching there for more than 40 years, and i do it once every 4 years im always proud of my country, because well, here. Recruitment ended this year, but it seems to me that this is such a difficult time, some kind of completely penniless profession, where you all go, so, and we all the time had to appoint additional days of consultations, because the people were not ending, and i it seems that i took some kind of wonderful course, with one problem, of course, when we finished the introductory course, there were only one women in the directing group. And i knew that this would end someday, but i hoped not during my lifetime, although my mother entered the university at the age of 16, but it was the fortyseventh year, after all, it was an exception, and now out of six the young ladies, that means, three of them are 17, 18 years old, but they honestly won the competition, and i, since i could not calm down, in the end i still came up with an idea, sometimes people come to us all kinds of quotas, according to international agreements, we have one wonderful estonian one. Guy and one from abkhazia, in the Music Department of a wonderful director, titel, he has seven women in the musical theater, he has no men, it s such a time that we are specifically looking for that we at the Literary Institute are faced with the same thing, before it was more male institute, now for women, before women writers proved that they also have the right to exist, that they are no worse than men, now probably soon men will prove that they are no worse than women, but as a rector, i. Is already taking entrance exams, very curious, well, when we select writers, our criteria are very clear, they write and we determine their ability to speak language, imagination, intelligence, originality and so on, when you select actors, i can also to understand, probably, how they are there as directors, how to understand that a person has directorial talent, imaginative thinking, none, but how do you test imaginative thinking, they and during the entrance exams, yes, this is a tritour. Competition, yes they defend their directors ideas four or five times, that is, these are actually four or five times plays, prose is also allowed, but plays, and this is instantly clear, but this happens orally or in writing, in writing, they have an explication, first they are obliged bring a model, even if it is somehow, amateurishly made with your own hands, it doesnt matter now, just so you understand, one girl for. Defended maeterlincks blue bird, which everyone knows about stanislavskys performance and so on, but this in my opinion, one of the most difficult pests in the world, if i had, i was a millionaire, or if i were the absolute master in my theater, she is 17 years old, i would let her stage this play with us, well, this is an impossible situation , shes a freshman there, but this made such an impression on me, then after the third round they do a lot of excerpts and excerpts with the actors, because several people who were wonderful in theory, when the excerpts started, they are young people, they do this eighteenyearold girls. Here, but in general it seems to me, oh, the system of obstacles for admission, it is growing more and more every year, because we, well , in general, we have no room for error, because we have very small courses, and the directing group is always very small, and it depends on the quality of the directing group , how can i say this, the success of the entire course, but if the directing group is good, it turns out that there are twice as many teachers. Because directors, they immediately become teachers for fellow students, well, in general, its very interesting here, thats understandable, but in general its an interesting question, you said that people act, yes, in general , there are no financial or Career Prospects there, that is , no one gives them guarantees, no one, but in general, as usual, well, usually everyone has their own, but nevertheless, like this the fate of a gitis graduate may be different, this is where he will be distributed, well, since its clear that an actor must sit on the phone. Well, but its better if he gets an agent, but directors, it seems to me, oddly enough, now have a rather preferable situation, because almost all theaters in the country they came up with a very clever thing, they conduct laboratories, if three or four people participate in the laboratory, there is some kind of topic, there is one, i dont know, fairy tales or a modern play or there, i dont know what else or in a thick book or something somehow, which one of them will win in the laboratory, they organize a competition, and they and the actors of the same theater make a small sketch, and its instantly clear who won, they let him put it on, dear friends, we continue, this is a podcast, the life of the wonderful, im with you , its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guest is the director evgeniy borisovich komenkovich, in general, what is happening in theatrical life in russia, this is how you would describe what is happening today, where we are going, what awaits us, what to expect. But it seems to me that the same thing always happens, everyone is looking for topics to speak about, always, this is the most important thing, we had a wonderful teacher, director leonidavich, kheifits, so i pester everyone with questions, i say, what in general, what are you doing all my life, he says, i have been looking for a modern play, and my teacher goncharov, too, is already in the very last days of his life, when he met, he said, he couldnt pronounce my last name, but he said, well , kudelovich, well, there is, well, this, well, it seems to me, this is generally the most important thing, well, in a theatrical novel , remember, he says, why new plays, old or not, in general, im so proud that we staged a theatrical novel, thanks to kirill pirogov, pyotr nomenko, because it seems to me that this performance should be reviewed every day so as not to become bronzed and not make mistakes that were so harshly ridiculed by bulgakov, i i love this book because it was written as revenge, he he has a conflict with the art theater , because they cowardly renounced malier from his point of view, he seemed to not want to understand all the complexities of the then political situation, he was terribly offended by them, he leaves this theater, where he ended up on stalins call, by the way, nevertheless, he despises even this, leaves and sits down to write a theatrical novel to take revenge, because it is curious that when in the year sixtytwo they wanted to publish this novel in the new world, the old moscow khatto people were indignant , because they they were afraid that he. There would completely overwhelm them all, suddenly this book is a declaration of love for the theater, suddenly you can see how in him in bulgakov this kindness, mercy overcomes him, this feeling, and of course, this is the production this one is yours, its amazing, because such recognition, how the world of literature is depicted there , so envious, bilious, all these writers are friends, in the theater you find yourself in this territory, it elevates you, if you have talent, then even these servants all these people who deal with technical stuff, what is it. Khozy, there is someone else there, even stanislavsky, whom he did not like, nemirovich danchenko , whom he could not stand, even they look like amazing people there, yes, this is a miracle, of course, this is an instruction for any theater, to me it seems that this is for sure, this is a fact, about the golden mask, can you tell me something, what do you think, oh , you know, i dont fully know what the whole fuss is about, i know that this is a useful phenomenon in our lives, i dont really understand why they need to remove some kind of. Nomination for contemporary dance or even contemporary dramaturgy, how can it be removed, in my opinion, for my taste, this is nonsense, i want it to exist, so i was somehow very proud of the theaters. Community, when there were new times there, filmmakers were divided there, writers there, i dont know how many unions, so i was somehow very proud that we were united, and now there are some protest letters, this honestly makes me very its upsetting, but i know that the golden mask has brought enormous benefit to the province; in general, i have a theory that if there is any next breakthrough in our theater, it will be definitely in the provinces, because i dont know if there is such an amazing theater in lesosibirsk, or if i, for example, am proud of my king lear, but i am delighted with the decision of king lear, which was made in izhevsk, for example, i saw this on the golden mask, and to me the golden mask is a chance for provincial theaters to express themselves, well, yes, well, not only for us , we have such a big country that you dont have time, so you travel all the time, but you somehow it was going to happen anyway, its probably possible perfection. Well, god willing, it will be, im afraid, because i dont know very well, well, the main thing is that it will be, and that no nominations will be removed, it seems to me that this would be right, im generally interested, thats how it turns out, how many years does the play live, what does it depend on, what influences it, a very easy answer, but here we wouldnt film any performances at all, we have 60 people in the corpse, now im already lost 47, 48, 40. Nine performances in the repertoire, we have nowhere to store the scenery, but okay, its somehow problem to be solved, and sobyanin built such a huge Storage Facility for all the theaters, it helped a little bit, but not completely, thank you very much, but the horror is that with so many titles, although we have four stages, we are generally in chocolate , yes, we play the premiere four times, Everything Else is played once, and thats not it. Of course, this is wrong, i always give the example of kostya raikin, who on the big stage has, i dont remember, seven or eight titles, when a new performance appears, he is one performance he definitely takes it off, but in our country, every time the filming of a play is a tragedy, because all the plays are in saku, even those that are very many years old, there is war and peace, fireman and family happiness, but i dont understand how this is possible, but let them live forever , but still, well, how, but new ideas and new people appear all the time, so somehow we film something, i love filming my performances, because i am the boss and i have to set an example, but this is a very big the problem is very big, the problem of all theaters, i am for it i dont know others, but i know about us, that i know that its not good that we have a lot of longlived performances, but if they are good, then what can be done, here in the world, after all , you probably follow the european ones there, world theatres, how different are their problems from ours, or stop, stop , they have a completely different system , they have repertory theaters, they dont have repertory theaters, well, in france there are two, thats why no, there is a completely different system there, it seems to me what the system in germany is more or less reasonable, because there is complete decentralization, and there, after all, well, they somehow exist in blocks, well , to be honest, even in our country, if i were the biggest boss, i would make sure that half of the theaters were repertory, because this is really ours achievement, but half should be free sites, because after all, we have a lot of almshouses, and im not sure that this is right, so i dont understand who should decide and regulate this, but i know for sure that we have a huge shortage free areas where life would be more active than in repertory theatres, so if we talk about the economic component, is the theater unprofitable or can it make a profit, how does this all happen, no , only enterprise theaters make a profit, but that doesnt happen, because lets say, literature in this sense , she seems to live more honestly in her relationship with the state, of course, we get some money there for festivals, for some, but in general the book, thats how much you sell, thats how much youll get in royalty, royalties, and so on further, yes, that is, no injections such, the book is not commissioned, but most books are still written simply because they are written, that is, in this sense, theaters and cinema are probably structured differently, but the bolsheviks preserved the big theater, although there was no money then, well, they preserved how , so no, theater, well, this is a cultural phenomenon that seems to me, well, at least some, if the theater is supported, it seems to me that this speaks of the level. This state, it seems to me, despite all its shortcomings, is terrible, and many say that there are many theaters in moscow, and no one i still dont know the number, but it seems to me that its great that in moscow you can go to the theater, and when you get on the metro there at 10 00 pm, a lot of people come with programs, but thats great, very cool, no, no, no, it seems to me that no matter how technology develops, it seems to me that any meeting with a living person, and not an acquaintance while looking for a bride on the internet, it seems to me that gramophone records failed to disappear, they first disappeared, and then everything came back, there are such crazy people who spin them, books, thats how many, like well, yes, you can see it better on a computer, really, nothing, i think it was all said by one writer , you can put a kettle on the book, well , yes, probably, well, well, thank you very much, evgeniy boritovich for this conversation, once again the most my best wishes to your wonderful theater, well be waiting for the divine comedy, thats it, ill tell everyone everything, thank you, it was a podcast life of the remarkable, it was hosted by me, the writer alexey varlamov, my guest was a wonderful theater director, evgeniy borisovich komenkovich, thats it episodes of the podcast lab project watch on the website of the First Channel 1tv. Ru. Hello, this is a psychic podcast and we continue to put our psychological puzzles together, no matter what they concern. Today the expert of our meeting, doctor of science, family psychologist, andrey zaberovsky. Hello, andrey. Good afternoon, father artyom, who came to us with a request that now confidently responds in the heart of, well, almost every parent. Lets just say, how to tear a child away from a gadget . Its like that . Absolutely. Why . Are you going to tear the child away from the katshet, i have a daughter, shes in her eleventh year, eva is a wonderful child, but 95 of her time, she studies on her phone, on the computer, she watches endless video hosting sites, she plays some games, these games are not good, plus, now in these yours internet, yours, yes, yes, well , i, yes, yes, in these, in these of yours, i am ours. Yes, yes, yes, ah, there are some maniacs there, well, there is a girl there, they wrote there, this constantly has to be controlled, and any other action, and my wife and i are trying to take her to a music school, take her to dances there, modeling agency, she does it all, in principle, it works out for her, but its more interesting there, yes, in this world of hers its more interesting, lets figure it out, after all , what worries you more, the fact that shes on her phone or the content that she consumes from there, what worries me is that its. Almost all of her free time and any other action causes resistance in her, we live in sochi, lets go, go for a swim in the sea, but its better for me to finish playing something there, watch almost any action, shes constantly wants, this is your beauty, yes, this is my beauty, after all, you didnt answer my question, what really bothers you is the time she spends with a gadget or the content she draws from if she were sitting in. The background or on a tablet, but at the same time, i watched some good films or some cool educational books, or some i dont know, there are films about travel, educational ones, educational games, it would bother you less educationally, probably less, but there is too much of this and there is nothing there is practically nothing else, i really would i looked at this problem from different aspects, because in my opinion, both are important, what our children do with gadgets and. How much time they spend, well probably start, lets start from your scientific point of view, what today, in your opinion, at the moment poses a great threat to a child, the gadget itself or the content, you need to understand that gadgetomania, which has now spread, and there is already gadgetomania, which has become relevant for the last decade, it is connected with the fact that for our psyche. A long time ago there is a proverb it is better to see once than to hear 100 times, in this regard, video information is digestible, it is very easy for a person to perceive, especially a child, whose brain has not yet reached the working mode of an adult , in this regard, after all, when we read a book, when we read a word , which is a complex symbol that is unpacked in our brain, or this requires certain analytical work, we need to connect the word with other words, otherwise video content. Any video content, it is very it easily enters the brain, it allows you to absorb it all in a relaxed mode, as they say, its natural, and we are a little lazy people, but for us whats easier. andrey, ill interrupt you, not only lazy people, you know what if my colleague, an evolutionary psychologist, were to tell us now, he would immediately draw our attention to the obvious thing that laziness drives evolution, as if not about this, not about this, look, but what would an evolutionary psychologist tell us, that the ability to see what look, see, collect a picture with our brain, but we understand when we look, yes, we use a variety of different parts of the brain, yes, some are responsible for taking information, others for comparing it, the third, completing the image, such a machine of incredible complexity was given to us by nature, god, yes, we we were born with this, reading is something we learn, no, moreover, we are not born, a child is born with the ability to see, hear, and with the ability to read, the child is not born, but he was not born, you know, yes, if you dont teach it, it wont happen, that is, for a person. Even its not that hes lazy, its just natural for him to look and hear, thats all, you know, as you rightly say, yes, not just seeing the letters s means reducing them into a certain word, taking a word, placing it in some the part of the brain that will pull out meanings, compare them, this is, well, this is a gigantic work, why do it, when, please, everything is shown here , what you say is all very cool, there is a scientific program. I understand whats coming there, i dont want her to read it a bunch of books, i want my child to be social, for the child to communicate with parents, with dad, with mom, eat on time, joyfully go to classes there, and plus she spends 23 hours there working on gadgets, shes everything time there, all the time, well, this is gadget mania, yes, which we said, but lets say the other side on the one hand , its easier for a childs brain to perceive video information than to read books, on the other hand, you need to understand that the creators of these video games, video worlds are already, whole video universes, yes, game universes, there are also specialists there, psychologists of a very good level, who, of course, model human emotions, because the main specificity, so to speak, of such gadgetomania is that the child is emotionally involved in the game, he receives those emotions that in ordinary life , even with a very warm parental relationship with a child in the family, he will not receive how these colors are super bright, yes, super emotional, and thats why we now have a very good topic, actually, because millions of parents are faced with what artyom will encounter, because with ordinary instruments, that is, music school, and then drawing, an evening walk in the park, with a child, you cannot take a child away from a gadget, from playing, because you will not give these emotions, so i want to say right away, yes, as a practitioner psychologist, what in this situation. If a child has actually been hooked on an emotional addiction to games for years, has become such a gaming addict, lets be honest , the same centers of the brain are involved, this addiction is located from the gadget, exactly where the addiction to alcohol, sweets or drugs is located, the endorphin center of addiction , they are in this case, that is, you as a dad with the full support of your wife, you must offer the child something that will. Acutely emotional, what can be an alternative to the emotions that the game gives, in this situation ill come, well, hes not a doctor, but what about him, i cant even imagine what he should do to make it comparable in this volume, you know, she always has a gadget at hand, and theres this one a flurry of emotions, it is in huge quantities in the bottomless, this is what dad should do, that is, he should arrange some kind of quests and adventures for her every day, so that she and. They have already said one, one beautiful word that we use in practice , so ill give you several cases this year, lets say, yes, in one situation, there is a child, also a girl, a little older than your daughter, we suggested that dad and mom began to actively attend quests, that is, this story is now developed in almost any